Any help identifying this cue

garczar said:
Did it. Still not even close to same color.
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Here you go.

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Jimmy_Betmore said:
Most things that are painted "jet black" have a pretty decent amount of blue pigment in there too because it makes it look "blacker." Without that blue pigment it'll look more like a dull charcoal black. Not dull as in "matte" but dull as in "greyish." It'll still look black but it won't look good.

Have you ever accidentally spilled bleach on a black shirt? For some reason there's orange in there. I work with color daily but I don't get to geek out talking about it that much because there's only a couple of us who deal with it.
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Yep. The darkest black car I've ever owned actually had some blue flecks to it. Darker than the typical pearl black on some of my other cars.

I've never spilled bleach on a black shirt, but I understand the orange. I have now and then spilled a bit of bleach on my dark blue bathroom mat, and it comes out orange to pink spots. Very close to orange.

Yep, color I understand, especially black. Built and modified a lot of golf clubs, and there was the task of putting paint fill in stampings. To do it right, you had to find the best. Lot of nerd talk on this thread, I have to admit.
 
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Jimmy_Betmore said:
That's another thing I find fascinating about color... It absolutely affects our emotions and behaviors. We can get emotionally attached to things being a certain color (orange five ball, anyone?) And before anyone says something like, "Well, I like an orange five ball because that's what I'm used to..." Alright. That's a part of it. But if you could choose between pictures of a purple five ball or an orange five ball to hang on your wall, which would you choose? Keep in mind, you're never going to play with this ball because it's just a picture. So you're never going to mistake it for a four ball mid runout. Ninety nine percent of us would choose the orange one because we have at least a little bit of an emotional attachment to it based on tradition. The same goes for green cloth. I've gotten used to Tournament Blue. But I'd still put Simonis Green on any table I got because it reminds me of when I was younger and all the fun I had at the pool rooms when that was the only thing you'd ever really see.
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A long time ago they tried painting the walls pastel colors in prisons and psych wards thinking it would calm the inmates and patients. It had the opposite effect.
 
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Jimmy_Betmore said:
Here's one for you guys. Which square is darker?

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They're both the same color. If you don't believe me, cover the middle section with your finger. This is your brain creating something based on the way it "should" be.
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That particular optical illusion, among other things, is covered in Season 1, Episode 1, of that "Brain Games" show I was mentioning, and they explain why your brain interprets it that way. Amazing how the two sides appear so totally different in color because of the way our brain chooses to see them when they are actually the exact same color.

Video posted below if anyone wants to watch that episodes, that particular illusion is the first one they talk about.
 
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garczar said:
top is still darker. obvious as hell. not even close.
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Even if you are still seeing different shades of darkness or color for whatever reason, it is still your mind fooling you. They are identical. Watch the episode I posted a couple of posts up in post #67 and you can see where they also take a similar image that is on paper, and then put the same color patch on both sides to prove they are identical. They also tell you why your mind is doing that to you. It can all be seen within the first four minutes of the episode.
 
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Just to pull this back to pool, think of what that means in the aiming conversations alone, or deflection, or squirt....and other things that people debate. And some people have a hard time "seeing" what it's about...or maybe they see it better?

How much of what we perceive is real and how much of it is not?

Could it be true that some people that get better faster, and achieve high levels of skill at pool are better able to manage parsing out the "noise" of fake information that their brain is making up?

Could it be that some more successful training methods incorporate some things that reduce the errors that result from these neurologic quirks?

Ever notice the arguments and debates about things in pool where it seems one person sees something that others do not? Which one is "crazy"?
 
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Chopdoc said:
Just to pull this back to pool, think of what that means in the aiming conversations alone, or deflection, or squirt....and other things that people debate. And some people have a hard time "seeing" what it's about...or maybe they see it better?

How much of what we perceive is real and how much of it is not?

Could it be true that some people that get better faster, and achieve high levels of skill at pool ate better able to manage parsing out the "noise" of fake information that their brain is making up?

Could it be that some more successful training methods incorporate some things that reduce the errors that result from these neurologic quirks?

Ever notice the arguments and debates about things in pool where it seems one person sees something that others do not? Which one is "crazy"?
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It's true in every sport, Doc, pool included. I've seen slugs that go at it for years and don't get one iota better in decades. And I've seen examples like Mike Sigel with natural talent that get to be the best in the world in his 20's.

What it comes down to is that all men are not created equally, including women, that is. Some are born with natural qualities that others don't possess. Of course, there's a lot of practice that goes along with it.
 
Chopdoc said:
Could it be true that some people that get better faster, and achieve high levels of skill at pool are better able to manage parsing out the "noise" of fake information that their brain is making up?
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There is zero doubt in my mind this is a thing. We all know that after a certain point pool is mostly mental. Being able to block outside and inside distractions and noise is a huge part of getting to the next level.

One of those internal distractions is your brain running through scenarios or "what ifs" while you're down over a shot. "What if I execute this shot? I'll win the game and my future will look different based on that outcome. What if I don't execute this shot? I'll lose the game and my future will look different based on that outcome." Both of these lead to dogging it. "What ifs" have no business being in your conscious mind while you're shooting. In fact, as far as your brain is concerned, the past and future shouldn't exist when you're over the shot. The only reality should be right here right now. And we've all been there. The zone... Dead stroke... The best of the best have trained themselves to be able to turn that on pretty much at will.
 
Chopdoc said:
I have a 1960s Eckes post card when they were US made. It looks nothing like those. I also have the 1960 catalog when they were made by Adam, and it looks nothing like those. Wish I had more catalogs.

Eckes came to mind first for me and is still high on my list.

I call these "carnival cues". When I was a kid a carnical came to our area. You could win tickets playing games and buy prizes with tickets...you know the drill. The more tickets, the higher the prize was displayed. Up high on the wall was a cue and case. It had pearl rings, points, and a bunch of dot inlays. Sort of like a cue like this but even fancier. I always remember that cue when I see cues like this. It might have been the first two piece cue I ever saw. I was about 8 to 10 years old I think.



Obviously that's the first best guess, but I hate leaving it at that. Some of them are in fact US made, and some of them are Adam made. And then, some of them are just nostalgic.

There was a similar unknown that was relisted several times on eBay that I almost bought several times. It ultimately sold in June for $50.

I should have bought it. Why? I dunno. I'm crazy. But, I do have the pictures.


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So, if I figure it out I will post it.
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This cue posted by Chopdoc is an Eckes, but I don't think the one in question is an Eckes.
 
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