Any Interest in an older Helmstetter 3-c Cue?

12squared

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Just listed this cue in the main For Sale/Wanted section: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=214571



I took this cue in trade and have no use for it. I was told that this was Carlos Hallon's cue made to his specs. He sold it for $450 while visiting Denver in the 1990's. I have played w/Carlos' cue in the past and it feels similar to his taper, so I believed him and made the trade, no paperwork stating such, just his word. It plays really solid and it should make someone very happy.

It has 2 matching shafts and straight - I would do SOLD shipped in the conus - firm. NOW w/3 SHAFTS thanks to Bud
I am at work so I can't take pictures or include specs at this time. But if there is interest I will include everything.

(I thought I would put it up in this section 1st before placing it in the wanted/for sale section to give you folks a head start on it).

Thanks,

Dave
 
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Pictures & Specs for Helmstetter

OK, here are the pictures and specs as promised. There are a couple folks who contacted me via PM that are in line for this cue, so they get right of 1st refusal. If intersted, please let me know and I will press them for a decision. Thanks.

You can see it's used and probably 20 years old or so, but a solid cue. You can see one of the shafts had the tip of the wooden doll chipped off and there are some dings, especially at the buttcap area - and two shafts are not exactly matched as mentioned in the 1st thread (but close), I never looked at the second shaft, sorry. This is the exact shape as when I traded.

Shaft 1: 11.72mm at tip; 13.1mm about 5" down; about 14.2mm 5" down from that so you get an idea of the taper. 4.155oz

Shaft 2: 11.6mm at tip; 13.4mm about 5" down; about 14.8mm 5" down from that so you get an idea of the taper. 3.825oz

All measurements are approximate, but close - weights are accurate.

Butt: 14.38oz

Length: about 55 1/2, maybe 56" (I measured against one of my 58" cues).

Helmstetter005.jpg

Helmstetter001.jpg

Helmstetter002.jpg

Helmstetter003.jpg

Helmstetter006.jpg

Helmstetter004.jpg


Thanks for looking.

Dave
 
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greeneyes_ocean said:
this is an old Adams cue the helmstetter version had only a single abalone large dot.
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Thank you for the info. Like I said, I took everything at face value of the person I traded with. It still could have come from Carlos and sold as I mentioned while he was in Denver, but I have no way of knowing. it does appear to be his taper, at least in shaft 1.

What do you think the value of this cue would be with the new info? I would think that SOLD is still a very good price (I hope).

Thanks,

Dave
 
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Dave. What the chance, Dieckman might know something about this cue!! Since his Friendship with Carl Conlon from back in the stone age. And The cues he have built for Hallon. But then You could contact Carlos Hallon, and ask him.
 
I have that very same cue...have to check on the back dots though.

I'll send anyone who buys this cue at $300 from 12squared another shaft in exchange for an Accu-Stats dvd (to cover shipping) once they receive the extra shaft and make sure it fits.

Dave is good people...plus, I want a billiard lesson from him if we ever meet.

Edit: forget about dvd...will send good shaft for free. Kind of feel like I poked my nose in someone else's biz.
 
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bud green said:
I have that very same cue...have to check on the back dots though.

I'll send anyone who buys this cue at SOLD from 12squared another shaft in exchange for an Accu-Stats dvd (to cover shipping) once they receive the extra shaft and make sure it fits.

Dave is good people...plus, I want a billiard lesson from him if we ever meet.

Edit: forget about dvd...will send good shaft for free. Kind of feel like I poked my nose in someone else's biz.
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Thanks Bud. I just saw your post. You're definately getting closer to a lesson :wink:.

Again, thanks. Dave
 
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12squared said:
Thank you for the info. Like I said, I took everything at face value of the person I traded with. It still could have come from Carlos and sold as I mentioned while he was in Denver, but I have no way of knowing. it does appear to be his taper, at least in shaft 1.

What do you think the value of this cue would be with the new info? I would think that $300 is still a very good price (I hope).

Thanks,

Dave
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I don't see why it wouldn't be dave....its a really nice cue
 
I don't get it. This is a great deal on a wonderful cue. Heck 3 shafts are worth $300 by themselves. Helmstetter, Adam I don't think there's much if any difference. Same shop.

Everybody gotta carom cue that wants to play the game??
 
greeneyes_ocean said:
the cue is Adam Super Professional Series mod. 803 that has been discontinued.
your price is right but not the market.

I'll send you a pm.
Vass
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I believe the 803, or say 800 S.P series do look different, as in the link below from Adam's European distributor, JOBA, from Netherlands (800 and 900 series were first introduced by Adam Japan in 1989, as I learned from sales director, Bas Bary of Joba. Very interestingly, these two models, i.e 900 series NEVER changed design! For over 21 years, they still look and play the same. My first billiard idol who passed away played with one of the 900 series back in early 1990's. Therefore, 900 series are special to me.)
http://www.joba.net/p/52/3010/adam-professional-803--cue
(joba's prices are astronomical as they are the exclusive euro distributor, their subordinate dealers sell for much less than joba)

IMO, OP's cue is obviously an older Helmstetter-designed Adam/Helmstetter cue. The value of these usually depend on the condition. Collection-wise, they are not valuable -unless one in-great-condition 70's Helmstetter, when he first made it to Rising Sun :) these are nice hitting wood joint cues -good for feel players. Just that, obviously the age issue is showing its signs at the wood joint thread. I love WJs as well.
 
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ipitythefool said:
I believe the 803, or say 800 S.P series do look different, as in the link below from Adam's European distributor, JOBA, from Netherlands (800 and 900 series were first introduced by Adam Japan in 1989, as I learned from sales director, Bas Bary of Joba. Very interestingly, these two models, i.e 900 series NEVER changed design! For over 21 years, they still look and play the same. My first billiard idol who passed away played with one of the 900 series back in early 1990's. Therefore, 900 series are special to me.)
http://www.joba.net/p/52/3010/adam-professional-803--cue
(joba's prices are astronomical as they are the exclusive euro distributor, their subordinate dealers sell for much less than joba)

IMO, OP's cue is obviously an older Helmstetter-designed Adam/Helmstetter cue. The value of these usually depend on the condition. Collection-wise, they are not valuable -unless one in-great-condition 70's Helmstetter, when he first made it to Rising Sun :) these are nice hitting wood joint cues -good for feel players. Just that, obviously the age issue is showing its signs at the wood joint thread. I love WJs as well.
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Thanks for the info. Adams or Helmstetter (& now leaning back to Helmstetter), doesn't matter to me. I gave $300 in trade for this cue and thought I'd offer it up for that price. And, now it comes w/3 shafts thanks to Bud. It's a heck of a deal if someone is looking for a true, old school, 3-cushion cue.

Again, thanks for the additional info. Vass I replied to your PM, thanks. The cue is still available at this time.

Dave
 
Last bump in this forum. If no interest after the weekend I will post it in the for sale section.

Thanks for looking.

Dave
 
Hi all,

Bud sent me 2 shafts to select the best one to include in this sale. (Thanks again, Bud!). One is a billiard taper tip being around 11.8mm w/European taper & about 1 1/2 inches longer than the original shafts. The second one is like a thick pool shaft (13+mm) that can be tapered to taste, but not by me :), & is about 2 inches longer than original shafts.

I have not hit with either shaft yet, but I will before any transaction is completed so I know that they are both sound shafts.

Thanks,

Dave
 
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