Any one with legal expertise, i have a question.

If you have a lawyer you really really like, you could try to sue for some kind of damages. But the shippers are probably on better legal ground, as they didn't damage anything themselves, so at best you can get breach of contract. And considering that you did this in order to save money, by the time you could get anything back (as if this mom and pop business even has the money - at best you get it from their insurance), the amount you'd get back might cover your lawyer fees. Maybe.
 
dom_poppa said:
I am not saying don't let movers transport your valuables because furniture is valuable but how many times have you heard glass or furniture or televisions by that matter get destroyed by temperature?...not very often.

Something that is as fragile as a pool cue, being held only by glue, is prone to be destroyed by heat. If an object fell on his cue case and destroyed the cue, then he may have a case against the moving company. It was physically untouched and the heat destroyed it. The OP blamed the delay on his cues getting destroyed, but nobody knows if the cue was destroyed by the length of time it sat there or the first hour he put the cue in that storage truck. Who knows but it could be negligence on his part.

Practice caution is all I am saying.
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Yes, but the heat wouldn't have been an issue if the products were moved on the day that the moving company agreed to do it. He should have never agreed to letting the second shipment come months later. Like I said, I feel he messed up and has some blame in it, but If the company would of moved everything that day like they originally said they could, it would be a non-issue. Unfortunately because he agreed to the layover between shipments, I feel he's screwed himself in terms of any legal actions or reparations.
 
Also, he moved from Vegas.

Where it is blistering hot.

I just hate to see cues neglected by some.

I hope a cue maker can make everything right for him again.
 
Are you serious?

Yes plenty can be done, what you have to figure out is if you win a judgement (which in civil matters happens most of the time It's a file first court) then can you get what you want out of the people.

If they had a truck and it broke down, then I'd assume that you wont get much from them. You can then hire someone to look into assets and whether there are judgments against them and you are say 4th in line.

I can't fathom moving things in December, and then someone saying when the weather breaks around March we will move again. I've had to move in a pinch before to help out someone, and I just sold things locally, rented some storage, and took with me what I could.

Sorry about your loss.

dom_poppa said:
Nothing can be done and that is probably the end of it.

Like I said, they did not physically harm the cues....the heat damaged the cue.

The shipping company can turn around and say that the cues were built with poor quality and it's a perishable item that the owner should practice with extreme caution.

He can get perhaps get partial money for the late transport but not for the damaged cues.
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obrien, try expertlaw.com forums. Lots of law professionals that can give you solid advice. I go there when legal things come up.
 
Without insurance u are not going to get much. The small print on your contract will till u what you are entitled for in these situations. There are two kinds of Insurence policies. One is by weight and they will pay so much for so much weight.This is not good if u have a sac of diamonds.The other one, is buying insurence for the actual amount of the price of your belongings.
 
I can tell by reading this thread that it is a very democratic thread.

"How can I get money to compensate my own mistake"

It can have a meaning of good or bad but I will let you guys decide.

Cheers,

dP
 
dom_poppa said:
I can tell by reading this thread that it is a very democratic thread.

"How can I get money to compensate my own mistake"

It can have a meaning of good or bad but I will let you guys decide.

Cheers,

dP
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Since you want to make it an NPR thing, I'm quite sure a republican has NEVER made money off his own mistake, huh?
 
I think you surrender quickly, dom poppa.

When the shipping company agrees to ship the items they are responsible for them. If there is negligence in any way then the customer should certainly have some recourse.

It is reasonable to expect a shipping container to be subject to weather.

OB-
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The cues should have been packaged, shipped and insured by you... or carried by you personally and never turned over to some bargain mom and pop, fly by night, movers...bad choice. Worse than any nightmare I've ever heard of from USPS or UPS. It's a bad learning experience. You may have to eat this one. Good Luck.
 
Bigjohn said:
The cues should have been packaged, shipped and insured by you... or carried by you personally and never turned over to some bargain mom and pop, fly by night, movers...bad choice. Worse than any nightmare I've ever heard of from USPS or UPS. It's a bad learning experience. You may have to eat this one. Good Luck.
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Hindsight is always 20/20.

And "...bargain mom and pop, fly by night, movers", uship ain't.

http://www.inc.com/inc5000/profile/uship
 
don't know what "uship" is... but let me just say that in the 25 years that I have been using USPS.... I have had only 2 problems and both were covered by insurance.
 
Not licensed in NV/PA, but here's my 2 cents.

Gather your information and documents and talk to a local lawyer in PA.

The main issues are
- what's in the contract
- what are the relevant state and federal laws
- But most importantly for any lawyer that you talk to,

Does the moving company have any money?

So recap

- Talk to a local lawyer, several. I can tell you right now there are lots of hungry young lawyers (some old ones too, haha) out there who will take a case like this on contingency.

- your local lawyer will let you know all of your rights and remedies
 
You need to read the contract, every last bit of it including the small print and see what's in there first. I imagine it's pretty standard stuf with them putting out to a 3rd Party. If there was any paperwork with the 3rd Party go through that with a fine toothcomb as well. To be honest I am not sure there will be much you can do, if it's weather related, almost all carriers, shippers etc have some sort of weather related clause in all contracts, that includes FedEx and UPS. If I had to bet, your best chance is going to be to try and shame them into some sort of deal, by going to great lenghts to root out where you can lodge a complaint. Get your list together and provide that to them and ask for a response before you actually complain, no repsonse, go ahead and raise those complaints, then again ask for a response. I would also contact local news both TV and Radio and let them know, they will often already have information, stories etc on badly run companies.
 
Proving it?

I tend to agree wth don-poopa, maybe I will choose my words a lil better.

I would read the contract with a fine tooth comb, for anything stating their liablities.

I'm sure you may be entitled to some refund due to late shipping, unless their is something in the contract about this also.

Tough part, and I mean very tough.....your cues were in great shape before shipping, that's your story. Ok......how do you prove it in court or for a lawyer?

Ya see, knowing something and proving it are 2 different animals.

The shipping company could simply say......since the carton the cues were in is in good shape, any contents must be in good shape also. If it's something so fragile that temperature or humidity could damage it, I'm sure their contract will probably cover this.

Again, read the contract with a fine tooth comb.

Good luck, but IMHO I think you are SOL on this one. :sorry:
 
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