Any suggestions?

[bobroberts]

I have recently noticed that when I have an OB between the 1st & 2nd diamond and about 4 inches away from the rail at the foot of the table,and my CB is almost identical at the head rail I cant make the shot.I have been practicing this shot today and keep comming up with the almost the same results.Usually the OB goes into the tail rail and kisses the CB or it spins out of the pocket.I have tried slow rolling,hard hitting, and different english to no avail.
I hope i explained this right.Any suggestions?I sure cant figure out what I am doing wrong.I make the shot about 1 out of 8 tries.I should be making this almost every time.
Thanks,
Bob

 

[Hal]

Is this the shot?

 

[Jude Rosenstock]

Is this the shot?

If it is, might I suggest not playing this shot ever! Seriously, if this is the shot, this is really difficult. If it were the 1, I'd play safe. If it were the 9, I might consider banking it.

 

[Rickw]

Hal,

I don't think this pic reflects the shot he's talking about. You've got the ob between the 1st diamond and the rail. I think the ob is up more and a little closer to the rail - 4".

I suggest you practice that shot until you master it no matter how long it takes. You will improve your game if you do this. You're probably making some mistake with your fundamentals. Have someone watch you shoot and see if they can see anything wrong with your basics. Good luck!

 

[Hal]

I have recently noticed that when I have an OB between the 1st & 2nd diamond and about 4 inches away from the rail at the foot of the table,and my CB is almost identical at the head rail I cant make the shot.

Hal,

I don't think this pic reflects the shot he's talking about. You've got the ob between the 1st diamond and the rail. I think the ob is up more and a little closer to the rail - 4".

How would you diagram it Rick?

 

[Rickw]

How would you diagram it Rick?

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Hal,

I think I did this right. I'm not that proficient using the Wei table.

 

[9BallWill]

Yea I think Rick's got it... What I do on a shot I just cant get is put a ball where the ghost ball should be, line up, see where the aiming point is, then just fire away at the second ball till you've got em lined up consistently. Take the 2nd ball away and keep doing it. Hit so natural roll kicks in... no reason for english.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

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Hal,

I think I did this right. I'm not that proficient using the Wei table.

From what I read, I think Hal had it right.

Here is an option that can be useful. Thin the object ball, moving it only a little bit. With a little practice, it can get you out of a jam sometimes.


Tracy

 

[nfty9er]

Suggestion

Funny, no one is telling you how to make it.
This type of shot comes up a lot in 1p.
Use extreme right hand english allowing for throw, center ball. Practice to see how much you throw balls from that distance. The spin will throw ball to hole. It is a difficult shot but once you get it and are confident it is easy or at least safe.
It is beyond me however how you can possibly ever kiss the cue ball with the object ball off the rail. If you hit it head on you are really missing badly.

 

[thoffen]

Is it your eyes?

I have a lot of trouble with the way my eyes see certain shots that come up on occasion. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how my eyes worked so I could hit them consistently.

Then I had a lesson with Ray Martin who found one such shot that I hit consistently into the same spot on the rail every time. He said that everyone's eyes are different and he personally has learned where to aim on certain shots because his eyes work that way.

If you are hitting it the same way consistently, I suggest figuring out where to aim even if it looks wrong. You'll drive yourself batty otherwise.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

Then I had a lesson with Ray Martin... He said that everyone's eyes are different and he personally has learned where to aim on certain shots because his eyes work that way.

I agree with the above statement. It is why there is always disagreement in aiming threads.

Tracy

 

[Rickw]

I got the feeling that Bob was trying to say that this shot shouldn't be that difficult but he was having a real hard time with it and can't understand why. To me, the diagram that Hal showed makes me wonder why Bob would feel like he should make this shot. The diagram that Hal depicted looks pretty damn tough to me! If I could make that shot 5 times out of 10 I'd be ecstatic. If everyone else thinks this is a hanger, I'm definitely in the wrong game. Maybe I'm just reading the post wrong too. I'd like to see Bob come back and verify exactly what the shot is and whether he thinks he should make it consistently or not.

 

[bobroberts]

Is this the shot?

Thanks Hal for responding.Thats pretty much what I am talking about.Maybe a little closer to the side rails but that is essentially it.

Thanks again,
Bob Roberts

 

[Hal]

Thanks Hal for responding.Thats pretty much what I am talking about.Maybe a little closer to the side rails but that is essentially it.

Thanks again,
Bob Roberts

My personal preference is to "spin" the ball into the pocket with outside (right) english.

 

[bobroberts]

My personal preference is to "spin" the ball into the pocket with outside (right) english.

Thats pretty much what I was doing,I just started practicing the shot a little while ago and I was pocketing it much better.Sometimes its just a matter of being off stride and then you put down the cue and when you come back it seems that you cant miss.I dont know if its the eyes or concertration or both but thats what seperates the pros from the rest of the pack.

 

[wayne]

Thanks Hal for responding.Thats pretty much what I am talking about.Maybe a little closer to the side rails but that is essentially it.

Thanks again,
Bob Roberts

Come on Bob, don't alter the truth. Re-read the posts. The shot Rick diagrammed is what you had to be talking about since you said the "the OB goes into the tail rail and kisses the CB". In the shot Hal diagrammed there is no possible kiss in trying to cut it in.

For Hal's shot: take a ruler and place the object ball 4 inches from the rail as described and the cueball 4" from the head rail and you will see that it is not a shot anyone is going to make most of the time, in fact it is not even a shot any decent poolplayer is even going to try most of the time. I did set it up and make it but it is a razor thin cut from very, very long distance and there is no way of controlling the cueball.

Wayne

 

[Flex]

Come on Bob, don't alter the truth. Re-read the posts. The shot Rick diagrammed is what you had to be talking about since you said the "the OB goes into the tail rail and kisses the CB". In the shot Hal diagrammed there is no possible kiss in trying to cut it in.

For Hal's shot: take a ruler and place the object ball 4 inches from the rail as described and the cueball 4" from the head rail and you will see that it is not a shot anyone is going to make most of the time, in fact it is not even a shot any decent poolplayer is even going to try most of the time. I did set it up and make it but it is a razor thin cut from very, very long distance and there is no way of controlling the cueball.

Wayne

I have a few friends who will cut that shot in probably 70% of the time... They're not pro's, but are great shotmakers.

Flex

 

[wayne]

I have a few friends who will cut that shot in probably 70% of the time... They're not pro's, but are great shotmakers.

Flex

You obviously didn't set it up on a pooltable or else your friends are better than the pros because there may not be a pro who could make that shot 70%of the time.

We are talking 1 and 1/2 diamonds out for both the cueball and object ball and less than two ball widths off the top and bottom rail.

I might try to make that shot in a practice session but I sure wouldn't try it in a meaningful game unless it was a complete act of desperation.

Wayne

 

[rackmsuckr]

If it's the picture by Hal, use outside english and try to overcut the ball. Even if you miss, you will leave it safe with the right speed.

 

[Rickw]

Well, if you place the ob closer to the side rail, depending on how close, it would certainly enhance the probability of making it. However, Jude, me, Wayne and most players that do compete in tournaments or for cash would usually duck the shot that Hal diagrammed. The percentage of making it just isn't there. If the ob is close to the bottom rail as depicted, I like the bank on the 9 just as Jude mentioned. If it's a shot on the 4, 3, 2 or 1, I like playing defense.

If we're talking practice, then yes, I would use outside english to spin the shot in. The problem with the outside spin is the possible scratch in the side pocket. I would also try using center ball just to see where my cb goes and to get a good judge of the true aim. Actually, I would suggest working on center ball first and then try outside and maybe even inside just to see if I could do it.