Any suggestions?

[bobroberts]

Come on Bob, don't alter the truth. Re-read the posts. The shot Rick diagrammed is what you had to be talking about since you said the "the OB goes into the tail rail and kisses the CB". In the shot Hal diagrammed there is no possible kiss in trying to cut it in.




Hey Wayne,
Whats up with your remark "common dont alter the truth"?I dont have the diagram of Ricks shot.It comes on my screen as just numbers.I also said that it was pretty much the shot not exactly the shot.I did say it was a bit closer to the rail.I also was just doing this shot on a drill because I was having trouble with it. You need to cool your heels and not get so uppity with what your writing.
I was just asking for a little imput.I forgot myself thinking that this was a pool forum for just such questions.
Bob

 

[Colin Colenso]

Bob,
You've had almost 400 posts and you don't know what the wei table is?

You mustn't read much here!

Search Wei Table..instead of leaving everyone guessing....or click on the quick links at the top of every page.

 

[bobroberts]

Bob,
You've had almost 400 posts and you don't know what the wei table is?

You mustn't read much here!

Search Wei Table..instead of leaving everyone guessing....or click on the quick links at the top of every page.

of couse I know what the wei table is.I was able to view it when Hal posted a diagram but Ricks did not come up.I do not know how to set up the shot and put it into a thread.I tried but I guess I am not that computer literate.

 

[Hal]

This is Rick's shot.

 

[bobroberts]

Thats it exactly.Any suggestions?I am just practicing so when the shot goes in I will kinda know if i should bank it or cut it in or play safe depending on if its the last shot or just to get in shape for the next.
Thanks,seems people are grumpy,maybe its the holidays.
Bob

 

[Hal]

Thats it exactly.
Bob

Then why did you say the cue ball is identical at the other end? This is CLEARLY not the case in Rick's shot.

 

[Hal]

If the cue ball is identical at the other end, it would be this: If I couldn't make this consistently, I'd quit.

 

[Craig Fales]

If that's the shot everybody is arguing about...it could easily be done 70% of the time...I can't get that Wei table thing to work either...I was thinking the shot was the balls are closer to the end rails...
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[Colin Colenso]

Thats it exactly.Any suggestions?I am just practicing so when the shot goes in I will kinda know if i should bank it or cut it in or play safe depending on if its the last shot or just to get in shape for the next.
Thanks,seems people are grumpy,maybe its the holidays.
Bob

That shot HAL diagrammed should be a 90%'er for reasonably good players. If you're only getting 1 in 8 your alignment or your cuing is way off. Only cure is practice.

In fact, move that cue ball out another 3 inches from the rail and a good player would be pretty confident of getting the CB into any area of the table after making that shot.

Don't mean to sound grumpy Bob...but it's way past my bed time...so there I will go now.

While I'm sleeping, you can copy those funny letters you saw above, click on this link http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/~wei/pool/pooltable2.html and then click on paste. You may need java for it to work though...the page should give directions to download if you do.

 

[bobroberts]

Gee Im sorry I asked, the shot is somewhere in the middle of Ricks and Hals pic.
I figured out the angle by practicing it and most likely would play it safe or bank it in a match.

 

[nfty9er]

Well you confused everyone Bob

Gee Im sorry I asked, the shot is somewhere in the middle of Ricks and Hals pic.
I figured out the angle by practicing it and most likely would play it safe or bank it in a match.

In your first post you describe the object ball placed between the 1st and 2nd diamond 4" from bottom rail. That is not what you are now saying. That is why I first suggested use extreme right english and throw with spin a very difficult shot but used a lot in one pocket. Now this shot you say on Hal's diagram is the right shot is way too easy to even discuss.

 

[wayne]

Come on Bob, don't alter the truth. Re-read the posts. The shot Rick diagrammed is what you had to be talking about since you said the "the OB goes into the tail rail and kisses the CB". In the shot Hal diagrammed there is no possible kiss in trying to cut it in.




Hey Wayne,
Whats up with your remark "common dont alter the truth"?I dont have the diagram of Ricks shot.It comes on my screen as just numbers.I also said that it was pretty much the shot not exactly the shot.I did say it was a bit closer to the rail.I also was just doing this shot on a drill because I was having trouble with it. You need to cool your heels and not get so uppity with what your writing.
I was just asking for a little imput.I forgot myself thinking that this was a pool forum for just such questions.
Bob

Bob:

No problem, it is a good question you originally had and I could have given you some good answers but when you altered it to a shot that is just short of a proposition shot that no one is going to make 7 out of 8 times it kind of destroys the integrity of the original question.

Wayne

 

[wayne]

Well, if you place the ob closer to the side rail, depending on how close, it would certainly enhance the probability of making it. However, Jude, me, Wayne and most players that do compete in tournaments or for cash would usually duck the shot that Hal diagrammed. The percentage of making it just isn't there. If the ob is close to the bottom rail as depicted, I like the bank on the 9 just as Jude mentioned. If it's a shot on the 4, 3, 2 or 1, I like playing defense.

If we're talking practice, then yes, I would use outside english to spin the shot in. The problem with the outside spin is the possible scratch in the side pocket. I would also try using center ball just to see where my cb goes and to get a good judge of the true aim. Actually, I would suggest working on center ball first and then try outside and maybe even inside just to see if I could do it.

You got that right Rick.

Even in 1 pocket most one pocket players would not attempt to make that shot but would thin it to leave it close to their pocket or just play safe.

I think the people who suggest ways to make it haven't set up the shot, it is way, way more difficult than it looks on the WEI table. Anyone suggesting they would cut it in using outside English is not viewing the shot on a table and 4" from the rail, to realistically cut it in at that distance with outside English it would have to be at least 7 or 8 inches from the rail and even then it is a very low percentage shot at 4 inches it is a ridiculous shot except as a proposition shot.

Wayne

 

[wayne]

If it's the picture by Hal, use outside english and try to overcut the ball. Even if you miss, you will leave it safe with the right speed.

How do you try to overcut a ball that is already an 89 degree cut and would have to be hit razor thin just to cut it in?

Wayne

 

[pete lafond]

assuming it is the thin cut shot...

Extreme inside english to give enough speed to the pocket and to bring CB to the top. Best to over cut so if you miss the OB will end up in the rail and the CB up top. Speed is everything on this shot and yes, believe it or not, you can overcut.

This is what should happen if you miss.

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Also, make sure it is high inside english otherwise you chance a double kiss on the OB.
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