Anyone can help me in my Shaft Problems

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Anyone who have encountered this problems? Can you help me figure out what had happen to my shaft? I have bought a custom cues, the shaft was very clean and white that it dont have any scratches or defect. I just can figure out why after 2 months to3 months the shaft starts to have a small red spot on my shaft??? and after several months the shaft almost got red spot all over the shaft that its like someting of a skin disease scattering all over the shaft. Both f my shaft reacts the same. And I never put any solution or liquid cleaner to the shaft it just happened like this. My question is where do you thik it comes from? Why does it happened to the shaft? does it affects the hit? Because its really irritating to look at. The cues I never been played before because all of my cues are collecting nd not for playing.Maybe anyone can help me out here and hou could it be cured? Many thanks friend.:confused:

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IMO, this is the result of the use of a stabilizer, or other such treatment, that was used to excess. You should immediately contact the CM and make him aware of the problem. It's up to his personal level of customer service as to how he handles your complaint. Give him the opportunity to correct the problem by whatever means that is mutually agreeable.
I can suggest ways to remove the blotches but I won't at this time.
You need to contact the builder first, it's his baby.

No, these blotches will not affect playability, on a physical level anyway. I can certainly see how they would have an effect on a mental level though.
 
Did you fill your case with tomato juice?
What did the person that made them say? I can't imagine what could be put on a shaft when it's built that would make that happen, but I guess it's possible something did.
 
Many Thanks

Thanks Guys for giving me response here. Thanks Mr. KJ I think you are right, these cues I never been played and I just keep it for my collection. Just sad that it happen to be this way. Many thanks again.
 
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My guess would be after you got you're shaft cleaned an ready to go, you took it out for a little spin. Thats where you went wrong. Id say you played with a measles cueball an this is the result. Hope this helps.......
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And the correct answer is....

Greetings to everyone out there on the Misinformation Network.....

This is one of the reasons why veteran and prominent cue makers don't post more on here. Everyone is an expert and offers their theories which are in no way accurate. Instead of guessing and supposing what this may be, it would be more responsible to say that you just don't know or how about not posting at all. Do you really need to see your name up in lights?

Now for the accurate response:
This is not from any stabilizer (nelsonite or resolute) or anything that the cue maker did or didn't do. And, the cue maker was well within his rights to charge for another shaft.

Additionally....
Those stains are what is commonly referred to as 'tropical stains' or a fungus that is building up on the wood. This is very common on paper items from countries in tropical areas such as the Philippines, Hawaii and many British Commonwealth countries. It appears that the original poster is from the Philippines so I rest my case.

Futhermore....
The actual term is called 'foxing' which is closely related to epherema (look it up) items of which I am a collector of. You will see this on old collectible stamps, especially on old documents, envelopes and newspapers. Many Civil War Covers (mailed envelopes) from the southern states also contain this fungus due to the humid climate in the south prior to air conditioning.

Foxing can be treated effectively by neutralizing the acidity content of the paper or in this case the wood. And yes, we have the chemicals to effectively treat this but I have not done any paper restoration in several years. And no, I'm not interested in treating any cues. Depending on how severe the 'foxing' is, it may be able to be lightly sanded off. However, this is only a temporary fix as the fungus is already in the wood and will only grow back. The only way to rid it for good is to neutralize it. This foxing will not effect the playability of the shaft until such point where the 'foxing' becomes so severe that you are playing with fungus in place of the wood. That will take many, many years.

I would not store any other shafts or cues in the case you are using to store this cue. Rest assured that any cue stored in this case will become infected.

This is my Christmas gift to all you wannabe know-it-alls so now you do know-it-all.

In closing -- MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night! Ho Ho Ho!
 
CueComponents said:
Greetings to everyone out there on the Misinformation Network.....

This is one of the reasons why veteran and prominent cue makers don't post more on here. Everyone is an expert and offers their theories which are in no way accurate. Instead of guessing and supposing what this may be, it would be more responsible to say that you just don't know or how about not posting at all. Do you really need to see your name up in lights?

Now for the accurate response:
This is not from any stabilizer (nelsonite or resolute) or anything that the cue maker did or didn't do. And, the cue maker was well within his rights to charge for another shaft.

Additionally....
Those stains are what is commonly referred to as 'tropical stains' or a fungus that is building up on the wood. This is very common on paper items from countries in tropical areas such as the Philippines, Hawaii and many British Commonwealth countries. It appears that the original poster is from the Philippines so I rest my case.

Futhermore....
The actual term is called 'foxing' which is closely related to epherema (look it up) items of which I am a collector of. You will see this on old collectible stamps, especially on old documents, envelopes and newspapers. Many Civil War Covers (mailed envelopes) from the southern states also contain this fungus due to the humid climate in the south prior to air conditioning.

Foxing can be treated effectively by neutralizing the acidity content of the paper or in this case the wood. And yes, we have the chemicals to effectively treat this but I have not done any paper restoration in several years. And no, I'm not interested in treating any cues. Depending on how severe the 'foxing' is, it may be able to be lightly sanded off. However, this is only a temporary fix as the fungus is already in the wood and will only grow back. The only way to rid it for good is to neutralize it. This foxing will not effect the playability of the shaft until such point where the 'foxing' becomes so severe that you are playing with fungus in place of the wood. That will take many, many years.

I would not store any other shafts or cues in the case you are using to store this cue. Rest assured that any cue stored in this case will become infected.

This is my Christmas gift to all you wannabe know-it-alls so now you do know-it-all.

In closing -- MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night! Ho Ho Ho!
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i think i had that fungus on my butt once, LOL
he posted this in another section joe
my response was

i'm wondering if that's nelsonite or resolute oozing out????
cant imagine why that would happen though
ps: might want to have this moved to ASK THE CUEMAKER section

as nasty and funky as nelsonite is,
you'd think it would kill any fungus
i was looking at all my shafts yesterday after reading more of this thread
i do in fact have one with the spots, not near as bad as his though
maybe it'll get worse??????
 
And The Correct Answer Is???????

CueComponents said:
Greetings to everyone out there on the Misinformation Network.....

It appears that the original poster is from the Philippines so I rest my case.

Futhermore....
This is my Christmas gift to all you wannabe know-it-alls so now you do know-it-all.
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My post was based on personal experience as I have seen this condition before.
Unfortunately it was on some shafts of Canadian Dufferin cues and showed itself after re-tapering the shaft. Unfortunate in the sense that, unless Dufferin was importing their Maple from The Philippines, I don't know that this post will lend much to the fungus theory.
Dufferin shafts are treated; treated with what, I don't know. But once the wood's surface was opened, the same color blotches appeared as if they were leaching out of the wood. It certainly did not appear to be an active fungus.

So it seems that two possible causes of this condition have been presented.
And outside of the OP, no one in this thread has actually seen these shafts in the light of day. We have a picture to go by. Now, I'm not going to bet the barn & the Buick that I'm right but I'm not yet convinced that I'm wrong either. Without lab analysis, this is at best reasonable doubt, so no, I don't believe we have the 'correct answer' until it's proven. Please pardon my skepticism.

I believe the maker of these shafts has stated that he will do nothing about the OPs problem other than to sell him more shafts. Customer service has many levels.
 
KJ Cues said:
My post was based on personal experience as I have seen this condition before.
Unfortunately it was on some shafts of Canadian Dufferin cues and showed itself after re-tapering the shaft. Unfortunate in the sense that, unless Dufferin was importing their Maple from The Philippines, I don't know that this post will lend much to the fungus theory.
Dufferin shafts are treated; treated with what, I don't know. But once the wood's surface was opened, the same color blotches appeared as if they were leaching out of the wood. It certainly did not appear to be an active fungus.

So it seems that two possible causes of this condition have been presented.
And outside of the OP, no one in this thread has actually seen these shafts in the light of day. We have a picture to go by. Now, I'm not going to bet the barn & the Buick that I'm right but I'm not yet convinced that I'm wrong either. Without lab analysis, this is at best reasonable doubt, so no, I don't believe we have the 'correct answer' until it's proven. Please pardon my skepticism.

I believe the maker of these shafts has stated that he will do nothing about the OPs problem other than to sell him more shafts. Customer service has many levels.
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the one shaft i have that i mentioned above with those spots,
is also cut from a dufferin house cue
now that i think about it, that shaft wasnt dipped in nelsonite or resolute,
not since i had it anyways
what was done to the original cue is anybody's guess
 
BHQ said:
the one shaft i have that i mentioned above with those spots,
is also cut from a dufferin house cue
now that i think about it, that shaft wasnt dipped in nelsonite or resolute,
not since i had it anyways
what was done to the original cue is anybody's guess
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Brent...most any old Duff that you cut the clear off, the maple will grow the spots. You can almost watch them appear. I have not seen it on the shafts...just under the clear. I'm sure you used part of the forearm when you turned it for a shaft. For the record...the spots I speak of look different than the ones pictured here. The Duff spots will be grayish-black & look very much like mold/mildew.
 
CueComponents said:
Greetings to everyone out there on the Misinformation Network.....

This is one of the reasons why veteran and prominent cue makers don't post more on here. Everyone is an expert and offers their theories which are in no way accurate. Instead of guessing and supposing what this may be, it would be more responsible to say that you just don't know or how about not posting at all. Do you really need to see your name up in lights?
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This is my Christmas gift to all you wannabe know-it-alls so now you do know-it-all.

In closing -- MERRY CHRISTMAS to all and to all a good night! Ho Ho Ho!
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Boy, are we lucky! It's a Chrismas miracle!:grin-angelic:

Since we have a REAL know-it-all, maybe we can create new forum called "Ask Joe":bow-down:
 
BHQ said:
the one shaft i have that i mentioned above with those spots,
is also cut from a dufferin house cue
now that i think about it, that shaft wasnt dipped in nelsonite or resolute,
not since i had it anyways
what was done to the original cue is anybody's guess
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Brent,
The spots that you've witnessed are the result of the wood treatment that was done at the Dufferin factory. It was not the result of anything that you did. One use of the treatments is that it allows you to use the wood quicker, without the lengthy seasoning process. Unfortunately, the interior wood isn't as dry as the surface wood. Add the treatment and the moisture is trapped.
Dufferin made a tremendous amount of cues. I have my doubts that their Maple went thru a lengthy aging process. My guess would be that once a stabilizer treatment was found that allowed the Maple to be rushed to production quicker, they used it.
 
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