Anyone else prefer very hard tips??

ideologist said:
The benefit of soft tips is more forgiveness, not more action
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What? Forgiveness of what?
If you accidently play outside of centerball, the soft tip will throw your shot off more than a hard tip.
Same with a smaller diameter tip. The smaller the tip, the less forgiving.
So a soft, small diameter tip is less forgiving than a hard, large diameter tip.
Think of it like computer mouse sensitivity. Most pro (shooter) video gamers use a slow mouse sensitivity for steadier, consistent aim.
Small, soft tips are more sensitive to off-center hits compared to large, hard tips.
And the more sensitive something is, the harder it is to get consistent results.
Ask ANY pro-- it's way easier to make a long, straight shot with a hard-tipped cue.
 
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I prefer hard tips. Most play pretty similarly and they last for a long time. I have had very good experiences with Instroke, G2, Precision, Talisman Pro (brown), Moori, and Zan Grip Hard. My favorite tips have been Talisman Water Buffalo Hard and Bill Schick’s tips which are medium-hard. I still like a good, solid Triangle.

The only tip I found to be too hard was Kamui Black Hard. But I like Kamui Black Medium which is more like a medium-hard to me.
 
I spent about 20 minutes trying Mike Massey’s extreme draw shot and after 20+ tries not getting past 9-10 diamonds of draw, I grabbed my break cue with a Samsara tip and immediately got 2-3 more diamonds of draw. It was a significant enough difference that I am planning to split the difference on hardnesses on my next re-tip.


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buckshotshoey said:
Ive never even thought about "being between" layers. It like someone telling me they spotted a pink polka-dot rhinoceros. I guess It is a non issue to me because I've never experienced a problem.
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I have had layers separate and rip off when shaping the tip.
Not a worry with a single layer tip.
 
philly said:
I have had layers separate and rip off when shaping the tip.
Not a worry with a single layer tip.
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And when a layer delaminates, I have not been able to shave the tip down past that flat spot. Subsequent layers keep delaminating. So far, delamination has led to a total failure requiring replacement.
 
Sealegs50 said:
And when a layer delaminates, I have not been able to shave the tip down past that flat spot. Subsequent layers keep delaminating. So far, delamination has led to a total failure requiring replacement.
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That describes my experience to a tee.
Sometimes KISS is the best way to go with tips.
Then again I am an Indian not the arrow type of guy.
We all get used to our equipment and I have said before that a lights out player
will take a stick off the wall and beat everyone int he room.
 
philly said:
That describes my experience to a tee.
Sometimes KISS is the best way to go with tips.
Then again I am an Indian not the arrow type of guy.
We all get used to our equipment and I have said before that a lights out player
will take a stick off the wall and beat everyone int he room.
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So a professional golfer should just use a set of WalMart clubs? Same thing, right? Can't help it. I getting sick of the Indian and arrow analogy.
 
I make my own "milk dud" style tips from elkmasters. I don't soak them in milk though, I use a mix of 75% water, 25% carpenter glue, and I made a custom press to get them consistent. Very hard, single layer, very consistent, and last 2x as long as any other tip I've used. Been doing this 5 years or so, and no complaints.
 
buckshotshoey said:
So a professional golfer should just use a set of WalMart clubs? Same thing, right? Can't help it. I getting sick of the Indian and arrow analogy.
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Of course not but with a set of Walmart clubs a pro golfer can beat almost anybody on the course that day.
The Indian certainly does have a lot to do with it though, most of it actually.
If you had the same equipment to play with that Jayson Shaw uses you would not play like Jayson Shaw I don't think.
 
philly said:
Of course not but with a set of Walmart clubs a pro golfer can beat almost anybody on the course that day.
The Indian certainly does have a lot to do with it though, most of it actually.
If you had the same equipment to play with that Jayson Shaw uses you would not play like Jayson Shaw I don't think.
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And, at the same time, Jason Shaw wouldn't use a bar stick playing in a tournament. So, if two players are of the same ability, better equipment will give an advantage. Correct?
 
buckshotshoey said:
And, at the same time, Jason Shaw wouldn't use a bar stick playing in a tournament. So, if two players are of the same ability, better equipment will give an advantage. Correct?
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That makes sense.
A tournament was not my scenario though, it was a poolroom but nice try.
Perhaps when Shane beats Jayson, Jayson should try Shane's equipment in his next match if the equipment is so important.
Makes no sense does it?
A pro golfer will beat an amateur golfer with whatever equipment he chooses to use.
Correct or not?
Jayson will beat you with a house cue.
Perhaps I am wrong and you are pro caliber in which case I yield to you.
Try going back to bed and getting out the other side of the bed.
Seems you may have gotten out of the wrong side of the bed today.
 
Yes. You are correct. A pro will beat an amateur using a fence post. Jason and Shane ARE BOTH using good equipment.

I am no where near pro speed.

And when it comes to a pro playing a pro of equal ability. NO Pro will use a bar stick when the money is on the line. In that case, and JUST this case, it is not about the Indian, and all about the arrow. That's all I'm trying to convey.
 
RDeca said:
I like hard and extra hard leather non layered. Try out Sumo water buffalo tips. **never mind these are not even available anymore. I guess just try a hard water buffalo tip
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I was a big fan of the sumo tips but they were prone to losing chunks on a miscue.

I did it to 3 tips, as I recall. That's not workable.
 
I had the "new and improved" Le Pro installed and it flattened out and mushroomed with four hours of play.
I sanded down the sides and reshaped the tip so we will see.
Before it mushroomed it played quite well.
 
buckshotshoey said:
Yes. You are correct. A pro will beat an amateur using a fence post. Jason and Shane ARE BOTH using good equipment.

I am no where near pro speed.

And when it comes to a pro playing a pro of equal ability. NO Pro will use a bar stick when the money is on the line. In that case, and JUST this case, it is not about the Indian, and all about the arrow. That's all I'm trying to convey.
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Of course not.
But any pro can beat any other pro on any given day.
Regardless of the equipment.
A lot of their games has to do with mind set and focus and sometimes rolls in that particular match.
It is all on the player.
 
philly said:
Of course not.
But any pro can beat any other pro on any given day.
Regardless of the equipment.
A lot of their games has to do with mind set and focus and sometimes rolls in that particular match.
It is all on the player.
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Agree 100%. Cues are so over-rated as to their importance. I've seen huge scores taken down by players using a house cue. When i went to Derby in '07 i saw a couple huge action matches. Both were won by guys using MAYBE 100buck sneakies. Pool lore is full of tales of players that just borrowed a cue and played lights out. Seen it myself. Pool is easily 95% game and 5% cue.
 
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