I picked one up in a package deal a while back and WOW!!!! Still cant get over this thing! First it crushes racks!!!! And the wood/points/ring work etc are great! I dont even use my Gilbert J/B much anymore! That might sound funny but this Panther is crazy good. If you get a chance to pick one up or try one do it. There around $150 new. Just wondering if im the only one who uses one........?