Anyone ever attended Mike Sigel's Bootcamp in Florida?

I did notice that KT's new book "The Weight Loss Cure" is appearing on shelves everywhere. Do people really need to buy this book? Hell, us AZBer's already know the the cure. Sign up for the IPT & you won't be able to afford to eat!

Part of me is sooo tempted to put Post-its on that book with the word "Fraud!" on them!
 
Screw Mike Sigel.

I don't see how ANYONE can defend him by saying "awww poor Mikey just got duped like the rest of us."

You can't bring OJ to the party and then go "Wow, I didn't see that coming!" as the meatwagon hauls away the dismembered corpses of your guests.

Mike and KT were close personal friends, and Mike was the Pied Piper who led all the players into KT's fiasco. Not to mention Mike was able to parlay his involvement into a cool quarter-mil by winning against Loree Jon and then sitting on his a$$ while everyone else fought through the field in the so-called King of the Hill tourney. Think about that people!! I'll put it in all caps so you get it - MIKE SIGEL WENT 0 FOR 1 IN A TOURNAMENT AND WON A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. And you wonder why the IPT didn't work out?

Remember, we're talking about a guy who did prison time for larceny long before the IPT. How can any of you still give him or Mike the benefit of the doubt.

When I was a teenager just learning the game Mike Sigel was one of my heroes. When all my friends had posters of football players or rock stars on their wall, I had the poster below on my wall.

Years later I got to meet Mike. I took a nine ball to have him sign it. He was rude, signed it without even acknowledging me, and made the statement to a fellow pro that he probably shouldn't have signed it because he knew it was "just going to end up on e-bay tomorrow." And this wasn't me bothering him at a tourney either, this was a "meet-the-pro's" event put on by the BCA to raise scholarship money.

I'd rather pay Earl for ettiquette lessons than to put a dime into Sigel's pockets for pool lessons.

By the way - I used acetone to remove the signature from the 9-ball, drilled a hole in it and gave it to my nephew to use as a gearshift knob.
 

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Eddie4269 said:
Screw Mike Sigel.

I don't see how ANYONE can defend him by saying "awww poor Mikey just got duped like the rest of us."

You can't bring OJ to the party and then go "Wow, I didn't see that coming!" as the meatwagon hauls away the dismembered corpses of your guests.

Mike and KT were close personal friends, and Mike was the Pied Piper who led all the players into KT's fiasco. Not to mention Mike was able to parlay his involvement into a cool quarter-mil by winning against Loree Jon and then sitting on his a$$ while everyone else fought through the field in the so-called King of the Hill tourney. Think about that people!! I'll put it in all caps so you get it - MIKE SIGEL WENT 0 FOR 1 IN A TOURNAMENT AND WON A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. And you wonder why the IPT didn't work out?

Remember, we're talking about a guy who did prison time for larceny long before the IPT. How can any of you still give him or Mike the benefit of the doubt.

When I was a teenager just learning the game Mike Sigel was one of my heroes. When all my friends had posters of football players or rock stars on their wall, I had the poster below on my wall.

Years later I got to meet Mike. I took a nine ball to have him sign it. He was rude, signed it without even acknowledging me, and made the statement to a fellow pro that he probably shouldn't have signed it because he knew it was "just going to end up on e-bay tomorrow." And this wasn't me bothering him at a tourney either, this was a "meet-the-pro's" event put on by the BCA to raise scholarship money.

I'd rather pay Earl for ettiquette lessons than to put a dime into Sigel's pockets for pool lessons.

By the way - I used acetone to remove the signature from the 9-ball, drilled a hole in it and gave it to my nephew to use as a gearshift knob.
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Will the "real" Mike Sigel please stand up. That pissy, aloof attitude is coming back to haunt him now.
 
Slider said:
No one here has ever sampled any "illegal" substances? No one here ever took someone else's prescription pain killers? Never broke any of man's or God's laws? Carried concealed weapons without a permit?

If Sigel had a problem with cocaine, I think the best thing to say is that he's lucky it didn't cause him to completely ruin his life or his health. Those days, it was everywhere, and possibly more widely accepted than now—the "Party Drug" of choice. I knew many people who tried to dance with "The Lady" and couldn't let go.

With regard to Sigel and the IPT...

It was a horrendous burn on the pool community, although I don't feel it was intentional. Someone always gets hurt when businesses don't pan out as anticipated, but I think Ol' K.T. gave it a pretty good go for a while. I was really pulling for the whole thing to succeed, and I think most concerned pool players were as well. I am truly disappointed that it failed, and I think a lot of observers are shifting that disappointment to anger. I hear about some players getting checks, I hope that continues. Unfortunately, there were many dashed hopes, lost monies, and other negative effects that cannot ever be made right.

There is no doubt that K.T. is a self-promoting hustler, and he was doing this as much or more for himself as for "pool", but who cares? The point is that the IPT could possibly have worked, and if it had, the pool players of the world wouldn't give a damn about his shortcomings in other areas, or what strings he had to pull in order to make it happen, as long as it kept happening. That's human nature, and it's playing out predictably. How many players refused to enter the first qualifiers and events because they had moral issues with K.T.?



How many high-ranking members of the armed forces do you see expressing negative opinions to the press about this war?

Mike Sigel was doing his part as a loyal soldier and advisor. Whether or not he is also a co-conspirator is yet to be seen - I don't know anything about his relationship with KT. It's not Sigel's place to do any differently now.

Ken
"Cocaine is a helluva drug"
—Rick James
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fair enough i agree
 
Neil said:
You know though, everbody gets down on Sigel and Trudeau, and I'm NOT saying it's not warranted,but I also see another side that everbody forgets or overlooks. The players are a lot better off because of the money they have recieved. Yes, some are in the hole. They didn't win enough for the actual payouts to cover expenses. I for one really enjoy reading articles and books about hustling. And I know that many of you do too. The hustler tends to be looked up to a little for pulling off a good hustle. If Sigel actually did intend to hustle people with the IPT, this has got to go down as THE BEST hustle of all time. He didn't hustle one guy, he hustled the ENTIRE pool community!! It doesn't get any better than that! And if that really was his intention, in my book he goes down as the best hustler of all time! And he made a lot of money doing it. I may not like what he did, but I sure give him some respect for pulling it off.

The problem I think is, is that the guy getting hustled never likes it or really sees the beauty in it. And in this case, that guy happens to be the whole pool community. If Sigel actually did intend to hustle everbody, the guy is a flat out genius. Think about it, he pulled it off AFTER his career was over! Think what you want about the guy, but he just might have pulled off the biggest hustle of all time in the pool world.
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ehhhh.....Getting hustled is often the fault of the hustlee not the hustler... you cant hustle somebody who isnt under the impression that he is the one doing the hustling....if someone knows they cant win then they wont play.

I said that in order to say this ...
there is a big difference between hustling and flat out robbing.......
 
Neil said:
Disagree. The best hustles are the ones were they don't even know they are getting hustled. Call it robbing if you like, but it's still hustling.
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I dont know if you see it or not , but that is the same thing I said.

Some one getting hustled will continue to play/pay until the realize what is happening... until that time they think they are in control or that they have a shot.

Fine line between our opinions on this....either way running a hustle for a some paper on a table is not even in the same league as screwing over the entire pool world, to include the fans........
 
I'll never believe Mike Sigel had anything to do with the IPT's failure. He had a vision, maybe call it a dream, that pool could be elevated to true pro status. He is only guilty of pitching his ideas to the wrong person, KT.
 
What does the IPT and Kevin Trudeau have to do with attending Mike Sigel's Bootcamp in Florida?

There are some who think Mike Sigel is the most winningest (is that a word?) pool player on the American tournament trail. His break, stroke, and game play is phenomenal.

Being a good pool player doesn't always mean that you can teach or instruct, as that is a whole different skills set. However, there is no question that Mike Sigel has talent. If he is able to convey that talent to aspiring pool players and help them improve their game, then that is a good thing, as Martha Stewart would say.

JAM
 
I don't think Mike is losing any sleep over the failure of the IPT. He made a nice score and that is probably how he views it. I think he would have liked it to continue as much as the next guy.

I don't hold him responsible for the actions of KT or Dino for that matter. Mike did "hustle" the guy for years to get him to put up some money and put on a major tour. I don't think he had any idea this guy was going to "stiff" the players, after only three tounaments. Especially knowing him as well as he did. He really truly believed KT was super wealthy. Maybe he still does.

Unfortunately for Mike, he got himself very involved with the IPT, becoming the defacto spokesman. He made the mistake of over selling it, when he should have been a bit more cautious. I think he enjoyed being in the limelight again.
 
jay helfert said:
I don't think Mike is losing any sleep over the failure of the IPT. He made a nice score and that is probably how he views it. I think he would have liked it to continue as much as the next guy.

I don't hold him responsible for the actions of KT or Dino for that matter. Mike did "hustle" the guy for years to get him to put up some money and put on a major tour. I don't think he had any idea this guy was going to "stiff" the players, after only three tounaments. Especially knowing him as well as he did. He really truly believed KT was super wealthy. Maybe he still does.

Unfortunately for Mike, he got himself very involved with the IPT, becoming the defacto spokesman. He made the mistake of over selling it, when he should have been a bit more cautious. I think he enjoyed being in the limelight again.
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Jay,

I'm not saying that Mike was complicit. Hell I'm not even saying that Trudeau didn't want or intend for the IPT to work.

What I'm saying is that Mike - and to be honest, any player who bought into the IPT, should have KNOWN better. Larceny, fraud, etc... The guys life was an open book (all kinds of info was, and still is available on KT's activities). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that KT has NEVER been involved in a legitimate business endeavor.

And while it may not have been a traditional hustle, I still say Mike got his FIRST.

Once again for those who didn't get it the first time. MIKE SIGEL GOES 0 FOR 1 IN A TOURNAMENT AND WINS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
 
Eddie4269 said:
Jay,

I'm not saying that Mike was complicit. Hell I'm not even saying that Trudeau didn't want or intend for the IPT to work.

What I'm saying is that Mike - and to be honest, any player who bought into the IPT, should have KNOWN better. Larceny, fraud, etc... The guys life was an open book (all kinds of info was, and still is available on KT's activities). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that KT has NEVER been involved in a legitimate business endeavor.

And while it may not have been a traditional hustle, I still say Mike got his FIRST.

Once again for those who didn't get it the first time. MIKE SIGEL GOES 0 FOR 1 IN A TOURNAMENT AND WINS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
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What do you mean 'he has never been involved with a legitimate business deal".:confused: :D
What would you call"NATURAL CURES",co-written by Macgivor.:eek:
Chapter 3........How to prevent a heart attack; ADD THREE EGGS,MIKE SEGALS TOE NAIL CLIPPINGS,5 POUNDS OF BALSA WOOD,AND 3 UNICORN DROPPINGS INTO A BLENDER AND INJECT WITH A NEEDLE BETWEEN TOES.I'VE TRIED IT ,IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.:p :D
 
Eddie4269 said:
Jay,

I'm not saying that Mike was complicit. Hell I'm not even saying that Trudeau didn't want or intend for the IPT to work.

What I'm saying is that Mike - and to be honest, any player who bought into the IPT, should have KNOWN better. Larceny, fraud, etc... The guys life was an open book (all kinds of info was, and still is available on KT's activities). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that KT has NEVER been involved in a legitimate business endeavor.

And while it may not have been a traditional hustle, I still say Mike got his FIRST.

Once again for those who didn't get it the first time. MIKE SIGEL GOES 0 FOR 1 IN A TOURNAMENT AND WINS A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
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And beats an out of stroke Loree Jon for 150K. Not bad work if you can get it.
 
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