Anyone ever take a lesson from Tor Lowry?

Rocket354 said:
I appreciate the feedback and you are correct to some degree. But I do want an outside opinion from a different perspective, as well.
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There may be a certified instructor in your area who does video analysis. You could try that. Here's a list of instructors all of whom should be able to do video analysis for you.

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Tor came to my place daily for a week about 9 years ago. We worked 8-10 hours a day. We drilled over and over...and over...and over. He taught me a lot. My lessons were free and I cannot thank him enough.
Rocket354 said:
How did you manage that?
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When he was offering the 14 day pool thing. It was like the first or 2nd year
 
QShark said:
I don't really like Tor's material. I stick with three YouTubers: sharivari, Jasmin Ouschan and DrDave.
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I’d agree with that. Although I would add Neils to that. Also it seems a bit blasphemous but I find recently DrDaves videos have become a bit bogged down, lots of references to previous ones and they don’t keep my attention so much as they used to. It’s possible that I am a bit more knowledgeable now so it’s not new stuff and that maybe why.
 
Monti said:
I’d agree with that. Although I would add Neils to that. Also it seems a bit blasphemous but I find recently DrDaves videos have become a bit bogged down, lots of references to previous ones and they don’t keep my attention so much as they used to. It’s possible that I am a bit more knowledgeable now so it’s not new stuff and that maybe why.
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Yeah, Dr. Dave's videos are as boring as can be. The material is good but the presentation is terrible. It reminds me of those old VHS science videos we were forced to watch in school.

 
BryanB said:
Considering I never had any formal instruction and was like an APA 5-6. I went to 7 within a year and stated there. I'm 615-620 Fargo now
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Wow, that's a great improvement! Nice job.

I remember the 14 day lessons, and thought it was an amazing thing at the time.

It seems Tor has done really well growing his business over the years. He took something he loves (pool), and made it into his income stream. Good on him.
 
To @Rocket354 it seems from what you describe Tor would not be the right instructor for you. It seems you want someone to coach you and review your progress on an ongoing basis. So even if you schedule with Tor one year out, and even if he was as good an instructor as Efren is a player, the infrequent interactions would not meet your objectives. It sounds like you'd be better off with an instructor that was local to you, that you could meet with on a somewhat regular basis.

As far as the pattern play objectives, that's the type of stuff you'll pick up from printed/video materials (from Tor or any other printed material that specializes in pattern play) on how which way to run a rack. All you have to do is get the material, and "do" it over and over. If you don't literally do the patterns until your arm falls off, you'll never learn them, and it would not matter if Efren was your coach and he told you how to run the rack and why. You still must "do" it yourself in order for your brain to remember it, and for your brain to understand "why" that was the best route.

You could also learn this by taking screenshots of Efren's (or your favorite pro) layout after the break, and duplicating how they ran out the rack on your own table. Again, you have to literally do it. No one will learn it well by just watching the video of Efren do it one time. You must do it until your arm falls off.

IMO:)
 
MattPoland said:
Here’s the thing. His YouTube content has some great instructional content but it is not THE INSTRUCTIONAL CONTENT. The YouTube is advertisements for the material on his site. The videos sold on his site also is also better instructional content, buts also not THE INSTRUCTIONAL CONTENT. The real deal is the e-books that accompany his videos. Those are best downloaded, taken to a print shop and produced into spiral bound notebooks.

Learning is not done from watching its done from doing. The e-books will have exercises for you to go through to develop your stance, grip, bridges, stoke, stun, high action, low action, precision, ball pocketing, center ball patterns, half table pattern play, full table pattern play, kicking, banking, etc. The videos scratch the surface of reinforcing some of it. If you actually work through the exercises then you’ll see the interplay to the e-books and videos. And you’ll get a strong taste of his instructional style which will do those same activities but with in personal accountability, real time feedback, and grueling long hours.

He’s not someone trying to just swoop in, clean up your fundamentals, and then leave you with some things to think about. You’re going to work hard. You’ll get sore. You’ll build up your shot repertoire and improve your pattern selection. And if you do his content by yourself then you’ll see the benefits similarly. If you watch his Great 14-day Experiment videos after actually giving the program a shot, you’ll recognize the drills he’s having them do. It’s all right there for you to self learn if you try.

But sadly most people will only ever watch his videos, feel impressed by how well they’re produced, and not realize how much of the iceberg was below the surface.
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I have his videos and work book that goes with his videos. They are excellent top quality with a lot of different topics from fundamentals to kicking. I personally feel they are the best on the market. As far as YouTube you can’t get any better information then Terminator Tips. Niels covers everything from fundamentals to the mental side of pool. Niels even has a video on working out and staying in shape for pool players.
 
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