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Bruce S. de Lis
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Was wonder if any Shaper is available in the Dime Shape that does not remove as much material as a Willard? Gentler(less abrasive) Version of the Willard.... 
I prefer sandpaper shapers for several reasons...
1. I can hold the end up to my tip in front of a light to see if the tip needs shaping or not.
2. I can sand the tip "one time around" and just give it a new surface without taking too much off the tip.
3. I can use a course grip sandpaper after installing a new tip and it will more quickly get it to the shape I want - and initially shaping a Moori tip seems to work better with a sandpaper shaper. The tip shaping tools I have tend to dig into the tip.
4. I have cues with a quarter shape, nickel shape, and dime shape. And it is difficult or impossible to find a shaping tool which has all three shapes.
You can get nickel and dime sandpaper shaping tools at the following link, then after that is do-it-yourself PVC sandpaper shaping tool sizes and instructions.
Nickel and dime sandpaper shaping tools...
(See quick tip 3/4 way down page.)
http://playpool.com/store/shop.php
Manufacturer of above...
http://www.excel.net/~mniver
Sandpaper tip shapers...
Use 100 grit sandpaper (held to the inside curve of shaper with your thumb) for initially shaping your tip, then 220 grit sandpaper to re-shape tip or re-surface tip from time to time. Cut sheets of sandpaper with scissors to size.
Hold shaper over tip in front of light to see if your tip needs shaping or not.
Do-it-yourself tip shaper...
Cut electrical PVC in half and about 8 inches long - Be safe, use a vise to hold the pipe when sawing and both hands on saw.
PVC SIZES...
Dime (1/2" PVC Pipe) [15.00 mm]
Nickel / Penny (3/4" PVC Pipe) [19.75 mm]
Quarter (1" PVC Pipe) [25mm]
Half dollar (1 1/4" PVC Pipe)
Billiard ball (2" PVC Pipe)
U.S. COIN SIZES...
Dime ......................... 18.00mm
Penny ..................... 19.10mm
Nickel ....................... 21.10mm
Quarter ...................... 24.10mm
Half Dollar .................. 30.50mm
1. I can hold the end up to my tip in front of a light to see if the tip needs shaping or not.
2. I can sand the tip "one time around" and just give it a new surface without taking too much off the tip.
3. I can use a course grip sandpaper after installing a new tip and it will more quickly get it to the shape I want - and initially shaping a Moori tip seems to work better with a sandpaper shaper. The tip shaping tools I have tend to dig into the tip.
4. I have cues with a quarter shape, nickel shape, and dime shape. And it is difficult or impossible to find a shaping tool which has all three shapes.
You can get nickel and dime sandpaper shaping tools at the following link, then after that is do-it-yourself PVC sandpaper shaping tool sizes and instructions.
Nickel and dime sandpaper shaping tools...
(See quick tip 3/4 way down page.)
http://playpool.com/store/shop.php
Manufacturer of above...
http://www.excel.net/~mniver
Sandpaper tip shapers...
Use 100 grit sandpaper (held to the inside curve of shaper with your thumb) for initially shaping your tip, then 220 grit sandpaper to re-shape tip or re-surface tip from time to time. Cut sheets of sandpaper with scissors to size.
Hold shaper over tip in front of light to see if your tip needs shaping or not.
Do-it-yourself tip shaper...
Cut electrical PVC in half and about 8 inches long - Be safe, use a vise to hold the pipe when sawing and both hands on saw.
PVC SIZES...
Dime (1/2" PVC Pipe) [15.00 mm]
Nickel / Penny (3/4" PVC Pipe) [19.75 mm]
Quarter (1" PVC Pipe) [25mm]
Half dollar (1 1/4" PVC Pipe)
Billiard ball (2" PVC Pipe)
U.S. COIN SIZES...
Dime ......................... 18.00mm
Penny ..................... 19.10mm
Nickel ....................... 21.10mm
Quarter ...................... 24.10mm
Half Dollar .................. 30.50mm
dragon slayer
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Billy Bob has supplied you with some good info.
Myself I like the Master Cue supertool.
Myself I like the Master Cue supertool.
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Bruce S. de Lis
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dragon slayer said:
True---Amen
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Bruce S. de Lis
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BrianK74 said:
Never experenced any Clogs, but Post Shaping. I BRUSH mine out with a DRY TOOTH BRUSH.... Its Anal but works....
I wish there was a Willard with a Regular & Fine Grit, so you have too choices of courseness to use, or choose....
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
Yes - And it is called.............
Yes - And it is called CHALK.
When properly used it shapes your tip everytime you chalk up.
I have been playing over 40 years and have NEVER used a shaper/tapper.
TY & GL
Bruce S. de Lis said:Was wonder if any Shaper is available in the Dime Shape that does not remove as much material as a Willard? Gentler(less abrasive) Version of the Willard....
Yes - And it is called CHALK.
When properly used it shapes your tip everytime you chalk up.
I have been playing over 40 years and have NEVER used a shaper/tapper.
TY & GL
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Bruce S. de Lis
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Thank You OldHasBeen
OldHasBeen I find your suggestion interesting, as I do Chalk ever time I make a shot.
I am Presently using MASTER GREEN CHALK, and try to Completely Cover my Tip with it each time I Chalk Up, before each shot.
I have never noticed that Master Chalk is abrasive enough to maintain a Tip, as I seem to have to do some Very Minor Reshaping ever 8-10 hour of Play.
But I will follow your suggestion, and concentrate more on Chalking Up as I have not reached the point in life where I am NOT open to new ideas.
Thanks for your tip on Chalk as a Shaping Tool.
OldHasBeen said:
OldHasBeen I find your suggestion interesting, as I do Chalk ever time I make a shot.
I am Presently using MASTER GREEN CHALK, and try to Completely Cover my Tip with it each time I Chalk Up, before each shot.
I have never noticed that Master Chalk is abrasive enough to maintain a Tip, as I seem to have to do some Very Minor Reshaping ever 8-10 hour of Play.
But I will follow your suggestion, and concentrate more on Chalking Up as I have not reached the point in life where I am NOT open to new ideas.
Thanks for your tip on Chalk as a Shaping Tool.
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Fred Agnir
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Bruce S. de Lis said:
It should be abrasive enough; pool chalk is made of sand.
Can I guess that every time you reshape your tip, it looks exactly the same as the last time you went to reshape your tip? That is the normal course. Your tip and playing style want to go one way, and every 8-10 hours you try to force it another way. Your tip is trying to tell you something. If your tip is any good, I suggest to leave it alone.
Another good question is: moments before reshaping, how was your tip playing? Was there any reason to think you needed to reshape it (other than the fact that you weren't pleased with the shape)?
Fred
Bruce, what type of tip do you use? I used to use Le Pro and I shaped that piece of shit all the time. I have Mooris on all shafts now and I have NEVER needed to do any shaping. As a matter of fact I have only miss-cued once or twice since I began using them. All of these miss-cues could be attributed to the stroke and not the tip. Hope this helps..T-dogger
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Bruce S. de Lis
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Fred Agnir said:
Well like I said I use the Willard, not often, but I do use it when the Dime Gauge on it Show some light between the Tip & Willard.
Every time I put a Shaft away I check it with the Willard Gauge. Like I said I only touch it up every 8-10 hour of play. Tips seem to last me a long time.
I like the Willard Tool, but like I said I wish it had a Regular Abrasive Surface (like it already has), plus a Very Fine Surface.
I am not sure what the current Willard Abrasive Factor/Grit is.
Like OldHasBeen’s Tip about Chalk....
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Fred Agnir
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Bruce S. de Lis said:
I can't tell if you misunderstood him. Just to be clear, he's saying that the chalk shapes the tip. So does shooting with a well chalked tip. He's not saying "use the chalk to shape your tip." That'd be a waste of chalk.
BTW, many of us would consider reshaping every 8-10 hours as "major" not minor .
And I really think you need to re-read my post very closely. I think you're missing what I am (and OHB is)saying. That is, your tip is taking the shape that it want/needs to, indicative of your style of play. I and many others suggest to not keep scuffing your tip, as it is counterproductive.
Fred <~~~ can't help imagining Bruce scuffing with a cube of chalk
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Bruce S. de Lis said:Was wonder if any Shaper is available in the Dime Shape that does not remove as much material as a Willard? Gentler(less abrasive) Version of the Willard....
I don't know the name of it, but I have a shaper that looks similar to a pawn from a chess set...It has a shaper on the bottom, and the top unscrews and has a tip pik inside.
I only use the shaper when I get a new tip put on to get it to the general shape that I want.......After that I only use the tip pik every once in a while...Sometimes the tip gets a glazed over look and does not seem to want to hold chalk...roll the pick over it a couple times and its good to go.
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
Think about this!
When you miscue there is never a scuffmark in the center of the tip.
It is always off on one side and near the edge.
That is where you should be applying the chalk.
IT IS A SAND BASED ABBRASIVE.
I have always just bushed the sides (bottom of he crown) of he tip and that way I am applying the chalk where it is needed and shaping the tip at the same time.
TY & GL
When you miscue there is never a scuffmark in the center of the tip.
It is always off on one side and near the edge.
That is where you should be applying the chalk.
IT IS A SAND BASED ABBRASIVE.
I have always just bushed the sides (bottom of he crown) of he tip and that way I am applying the chalk where it is needed and shaping the tip at the same time.
TY & GL
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Bruce S. de Lis
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Think I totally understand both Fred’s and OldHasBeen’s advice. To answer some one elses question to me, I have been using Tiger Hard Layered Tips, and my 8-10 Hours is only a Guess on Hours.
The one thing I notice since switching to the Tiger Hard Layered Tips, is they last a VERY LONG TIME.
Like I said I use a Dime Radius, and it seems to work great with the Tiger Hard Layered Tips.
The one thing I notice since switching to the Tiger Hard Layered Tips, is they last a VERY LONG TIME.
Like I said I use a Dime Radius, and it seems to work great with the Tiger Hard Layered Tips.
OldHasBeen
Tom Ferry
I like Morri (soft)
Buddy Hall said at last years DCC that he had switched to the Morri soft & liked them the best - so I tried it & love them. I get more english & they stay shaped well.
TY & GL
Buddy Hall said at last years DCC that he had switched to the Morri soft & liked them the best - so I tried it & love them. I get more english & they stay shaped well.
TY & GL