Eric Wynne
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Brianna doesn't know when he will get someone else to make some more ... Would like to stock up on some ... Anyone know a machinist or the one Lee used to make his ??? Thanx 
Anyone know where 3/8x10 brass SW style pins
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Edit: I answered this question yesterday, naming a well known source for such pins.
Then today I read post #5 in this thread. So I went back and read the Sticky on "Rules for posting ...." Based on those rules, I have deleted my public naming of a source for a joint pin. Really, now, .........
Edit: I answered this question yesterday, naming a well known source for such pins.
Then today I read post #5 in this thread. So I went back and read the Sticky on "Rules for posting ...." Based on those rules, I have deleted my public naming of a source for a joint pin. Really, now, .........
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I got hollared at for giving sources...please pm me if needed.
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Brianna doesn't know when he will get someone else to make some more ... Would like to stock up on some ... Anyone know a machinist or the one Lee used to make his ??? Thanx
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Eric Wynne
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Thanx all you guys !!!!! I got the the connection and it is a blessing ... Thanx a BUNCH to all you wascal wabbutts !!!
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If you want to post your source what is the big deal. I think if you want to share this type of information thats great. Are the rules in place to protect resellers who buy a product and resale it.
If it is a source you have used and worked out for you it would be good to hear about that, as well as the ones that do not work out so well.
If it is a source you have used and worked out for you it would be good to hear about that, as well as the ones that do not work out so well.
The big deal is that your customers read this forum - and so do mine.
Try explaining to some poolplayer why you charge $50 extra for a
piece of Birdseye Maple that you only paid $9 for. The fact you
had to by 20 others to get one that good just doesn't get across.
Dale
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Since when has the price of a cue become the sum of it's parts? Hell, even a ham sandwich costs more than just bread and ham. And why would you want someone thinking that a $10 piece of wood is actually $50? If you want to make $40 extra on a piece of wood, just up your hourly rate. With the advent of the internet, all this info is out there anyhow. Just don't think that your fooling people on component prices, cause' then when they do find out that you lied to them on a $10 piece of wood that's when they get pissed.
I just tell people that what you're paying for is mostly labor. The cost to build a cue from a material standpoint is what, $50-$100 typically? Sometimes less, sometimes more. If someone doesn't want to buy a $600 cue from you because there's only $50 dollars worth of material, you're probably better off without them as a customer anyhow. They're probably the same ones that ***** about why it costs $15 for a $1 piece of leather glued to end of their stick.
You can try to educate them on things like overhead, insurance, material yields, design time, engineering, blah blah blah, or you can tell them it is what it is.
The day I have to convince someone that a cue's price is based solely on material costs is the day I look for another job.
Frank
Have you read the rules for posting in this section?
Do you think the guys who run this board should not have the right to
conduct it in the way they see fit?
I clarified a valid reason for the policy - if you want to engage in pointless
arguments - you might be happier at a bar, or jimbo's army.
Dale
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I understand Will's point but if I want in on a source, I just send a PM, ask nicely and 9 times out of ten I get a link to them.
Harleys for instance, there is no way that there is 30K worth of metal in one. Maybe 5 (and thats stretching it) and the other 25 is for the name.
Harleys for instance, there is no way that there is 30K worth of metal in one. Maybe 5 (and thats stretching it) and the other 25 is for the name.
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True enough - IIUC the important point is:
No one is saying you can't share info about sources and/or prices,
just don't do it in public.
I strongly agree with that restriction.
Dale
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Look, I wasn't trying to be arguementative, but judging by your tone you've taken issue with my post, so at the risk of perpetuating this "pointless argument" I'll respond to you in no uncertain terms.
To answer your question, I have read the rules, a few times over the past few months in fact. While I don't quite understand while it's ok to sell butt blanks in this section, or list sources and prices of pins and sell them in the for sale section, yet when it suits someones need here, there is always the "Rules for posting in "Ask the Cuemaker" section". Since, apparently, I don't quite understand the implication of the rule like you appear to, can you please explain to me how this quote from the rule is supposed to mean you can't state sources like Atlas, Prathers, Brianna, etc? Last time I checked they aren't wholesalers, or at least anyone off the street can purchase, and their names and links are everywhere in this forum. If that is what the rule is meant for, I'm sorry, but that ship has sailed.
From the rules, emphasis added: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=167988
"Supply sources can be asked for, but all replies should be sent in the form of Private Messages. This protects our cuemakers supply sources from the general public. Almost no industry shares their wholesale sources with their customer base. So in fairness to our cuemakers we ask that this type of information be handled through Private Messages."
I completely understand, and agree with, the desire to protect wholesale sources, you know, like that super secret Michigan shaft wood supplier, or maybe that Colorado exotic wood place, but for people to get out of shape by posting a link to consumer sources like Atlas or Prathers for pins seems silly to me.
So, please enlighten me so I may better conform in the future.
Regards,
Frank
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"Supply sources can be asked for, but all replies should be sent in the form of Private Messages." Just exactly what part of that rule are you having trouble comprehending? It certainly sounds simple enough. This forum and site have a number of rules that I may not agree with nor like but since this is not my playground I must either play by the owners rules or pick up my toys and either move to another playground where I like the rules or perhaps start my own playground.
Dick
The part I have trouble understanding is that it goes on to further describe the sources in question as "Wholesale Sources", not retail sources, ie; Atlas, Prather, Brianna, etc.
To re-quote:
"Almost no industry shares their wholesale sources with their customer base. So in fairness to our cuemakers we ask that this type (read as wholesale source info) of information be handled through Private Messages." Again, emphasis added.
Like I said, I don't want to argue the point, just trying to understand the true intent of the rule. To me "wholesale" means a whole different thing than retail places like Atlas, etc. Are we not to mention "Home Depot" as a source for glue? I don't know, maybe I'm not making myself clear here, we do understand the difference between Wholesale and Retail, right?
Again, just to be sure, I'm not trying to pick a fight or disparage the rules, just looking for clarification, because the way I'm reading it sounds a lot different to me than what's being represented here.
Frank
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Well, I just believe we are reading it completely differently. The rule as stated says all sources and prices through PMs. It then talks about "wholesale prices". It no where however says wholesale prices only should not be discussed, just prices and sources period and I believe that includes all. This rule, I'm sure, was pushed by one of the retail sellers who sell on this forum and don't appreciate when someone posts a place and price that beats their price. When the information is given in a PM there is not so much damage done. I don't like the ruling either as I never sell nor tell anyone where to buy unless it is parts that are not graded (figured wood for example). Every once in a while some some does give up a good source for figured material so I like to latch on to it but I can't do that when this information is given through PMs. But, rules are rules and I like to abide by them unless I'm pretty sure I won't get caught.
Dick
Jeez-Louise Frank
You can't read a little bit, can you?
I don't lie to my customers about anything.
If you could possibly fail to understand the simple, straight forward,
language of my post, it is little wonder you can't grasp the concept
of the restrictions for a forum.
jimbo WANTS you.
Dale