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TheThaiger

TheThaiger

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The snooker world champs have just finished. 17 days of grueling play, on the biggest and hardest tables around. NOT ONE mention of aiming throughout the entire time. NOT ONE.

Please explain this to me.

Good cueing had a hundred mentions a day, however.

Please explain to me why you put aiming ahead of cueing.
 
Your chin, peck, elbow, grip, eye, backfoot and grip on the stroking
line don't work.
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TheThaiger said:
The snooker world champs have just finished. 17 days of grueling play, on the biggest and hardest tables around. NOT ONE mention of aiming throughout the entire time. NOT ONE.

Please explain this to me.

Good cueing had a hundred mentions a day, however.

Please explain to me why you put aiming ahead of cueing.
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Cause we don't have a cueing forum.
 
I have to say this so Flame away.

This is an aiming forum, you want to talk about cueing, contact the mods to create a cueing subforum. Until then why don't you just participate in the Snooker subforum?

I play pool, American pool not snooker, why because I live in America. Until there is a national Snooker championship that I can watch, or snooker tables in all pool rooms I frequent I really will not have much interest in it.

Keep painting away with that broad brush though.

Peace out.

TheThaiger said:
The snooker world champs have just finished. 17 days of grueling play, on the biggest and hardest tables around. NOT ONE mention of aiming throughout the entire time. NOT ONE.

Please explain this to me.

Good cueing had a hundred mentions a day, however.

Please explain to me why you put aiming ahead of cueing.
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Tony_in_MD said:
I have to say this so Flame away.

This is an aiming forum, you want to talk about cueing, contact the mods to create a cueing subforum. Until then why don't you just participate in the Snooker subforum?

I play pool, American pool not snooker, why because I live in America. Until there is a national Snooker championship that I can watch, or snooker tables in all pool rooms I frequent I really will not have much interest in it.

Keep painting away with that broad brush though.

Peace out.
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You're an instructor and you're not curious as to why aiming receives no air play in the one cue sport that really needs it?

Baffling.
 
Why should I. I don't emphasize aiming when I instruct. I don't teach aiming systems but I also don't throw those those that do under the bus.

Another broad brushstroke by you.


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Ok you are a more complete troll than I am a complete instructor. You win

Paint some more troll boy.


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By the way "troll boy" Thaiger,are the snooker instructors who don't emphasize aiming not complete instructors, also?

You can't sit on the fence when you paint it.


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So Thaiger, why do snooker coaches teach aiming? Why are there many videos on aiming on YouTube. Why does Steve Davis have videos talking about aiming?

And as others have pointed out this is a forum to discuss AIMING. We have many discussions on form and stroke elsewhere on this forum.

No one here is devaluing cueing/stroking in the least. WE have said it a million times that aiming without a good stroke is no good.

But you don't listen to well and probably play worse than you listen.
 
Not all of us put aiming ahead of cueing. But obviously the aiming systems have gained a lot of press over the last decade, probably mostly due to widespread discussions made possible by forums such as these. Prior to that it was just a select few that knew and shared the details.

As for good cueing - fundamentals haven't changed much in probably 50 years. Certain things have to be in certain places to facilitate a straight stroke, the mechanics are actually pretty simple, and we have slight variations based on body type, arm length, personal style, etc. And of course country ("snooker" style stance vs "American" style stance"), game (more upright for some games, closer to the cue for others).

I for one study a lot of the snooker players and teachers as I think fundamentals are extremely important, I work on them all the time and have even adapted some snooker-style traits into my game.

Aiming is equally important. If you want to utilize ghost ball, back of ball, etc., or use a system, whatever works for you to get on the right shot line is fine by me. I have found through study and experimentation that the systems do work and can provide an advantage, but to each his or her own.

Scott
 
No one I know puts aiming ahead of cueing/stroking. They are two parts of the game.

Thing is you can some success with less than perfect cueing even run a lot of racks. But you will have a lot less success with poor aiming even if you have perfect cueing. Because perfect cueing plus poor aim equals a perfect shot to the wrong target.

An archer can have flawless technique and yet be aimed incorrectly and never hit a bullseye.

An archer can have sloppy technique but excellent aiming and once in a while he will time the release correctly and score a bullseye.

So the answer obviously is that both are required.

At the top level of the sport certain basics are presumed. That is why people don't talk about aiming. As well the way pool and snooker are filmed no one can actually see the aiming with enough precision to discuss whether or not it's on.

What they can discuss is the body and cue stick actions because they can see those things easily. Can even replay them in slow motion.

So that is why cueing and form are discussed and aiming is not.

In snooker coaching however aiming is taught in many ways and certainly covered.

One only needs to do a simple youtube search to see this

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I have taken multiple lessons from Stan and Stevie. I can tell you with emphasis neither of them put aiming ahead of a straight stroke. Stevie Moore's nickname should be Straight Stroke Advocate instead of The Blade considering how adamant he is about continuously working towards the perfect stroke. Stevie bluntly told me in our first lesson I would only enjoy limited success with CTE/Pro One until I corrected some flaws in my fundamentals. Thankfully, I took that to heart and a year later, have a vastly improved set of fundamentals. Even though I am one of the biggest advocates of CTE/Pro One, I practice every day and the first thing I do in every practice sessions are 3 straight stroke drills. Without exception.

As usual, Thaiger is only Trolling and has no logical basis for his post in this forum. I would consider removing him from the ignore list if his trolling had any wit, humor or intelligence to it. But then again, he lives in a country with much more history than future and acknowledges a Queen so how could common sense ever apply?
 
Concerning stroke, I have logged a few decades of work in that area to get to where I think I now have a very good handle on it.
It took less than a decade to unravel CTE.

The entire time I was working to understand CTE I was as hard at it with stroke. It was painful at times to watch Landon execute shots with ease while I was often in a dead struggle.

I am quite pleased with myself that I never did give up in my quest to understand the visual and am now rewarded to thoroughly grasp what drives the physical at least for my game......and I am thinking there would be much transfer for others in their work with stroke.

Stan Shuffett
 
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stan shuffett said:
Concerning stroke, I have logged a few decades of work in that area to get to where I think I now have a very good handle on it.
It took less than a decade to unravel CTE.

The entire time I was working to understand CTE I was as hard at it with stroke. It was painful at times to watch Landon execute shots with ease while I was often in a dead struggle.

I am quite pleased with myself that I never did give up in my quest to understand the visual and am now rewarded to thoroughly grasp what drives the physical at least for my game......and I am thinking there would be much transfer for others in their work with stroke.

Stan Shuffett
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As much time as you have spent with Stevie, has does that stroke go so straight with all the shaking his back hand does. It is pretty amazing. I coulldn't believe how much it shook when I saw it in person.
 
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As much time as you have spent with Stevie, has does that stroke go so straight with all the shaking his back hand does. It is pretty amazing. I coulldn't believe how much it shook when I saw it in person.
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It is what it is. Stevie handles it very well . It certainly makes it a little tougher,
I have developed a shake as well. They 're no fun but if you love the game you just play through it if possible.

Stan Shuffett
 
Jerry Briesath had a bad one as well last time I saw him (which was probably 10 years ago), but he could still play well. Stevie obviously can as well, and Stan too if it's impacting him although I hadn't noticed that.

I hope Stan comes out with a non-aiming DVD on stroke and grip and general playing advice, I had several conversations with him in these areas and I believe he has a lot to offer.
Scott
 
Just curious, as he adjust for it. Reminds of Mel Tillis stuttering when he talked but sang great. Stevie stutters before the stroke and smooth during it

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