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Zims Rack

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Our regular pool league season just ended and my team, Zim's Rack (go figure), finished 2nd place. Last night we had our first night of playoffs, the top 4 teams were competing against each other. 1vs4, 2vs3. The team that finished in 1st in regular season already has a slot at the Local Team Championship (LTC) and can't take another slot. The format is the first team to win 3 of 5 matches advances to the Championship next Wednesday night. We beat team #3- 4 matches to 1 and advance to the Championship! WOO HOO!! Well the team we'll be playing finished 1st in regular season, so that automatically gave us a slot in the LTC! No matter if we win or lose the championship, we will still advance. I finished with a 13-3 record, 81% winning percentage and league MVP. Not to shabby for just returning to the United States and in my first league back. There is an MVP tournament on 12 June and the LTC is 18-20June.
WISH US LUCK NEXT WEEK AND AT LTC!
Thanks,
Zim
 
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Nice job Zim! That is strange that they allowed the 1st place team to play in playoffs. The way ours does it is the 1st place team gets automatic bid into Tri-Cups (like your LTC I imagine), then the 2-5 place teams playoff (2vs5, 3vs4)for the chance at an entry into that tourney. Seems to me that would be a better way to do it then to have the 1st place team knock out a team playing for the spot.

Good job on the MVP. I also was the MVP in our league 12-0 with 86% wins only 4 SHO though alot of 5-1's.

Keep Strokin'
 
UWPoolGod1 said:
...the 1st place team gets automatic bid into Tri-Cups (like your LTC I imagine), then the 2-5 place teams playoff.....
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Todd, we do it that way too, with a wrinkle. The 5th place team is chosen at random from the 5th thru last place teams. So we actually have a use for the "pool pea" bottle now :D

I have seen a few teams actually get a berth in the city champpionships with that random draw. All 4 teams ahead of them were already qualified.

My team drew a random spot last year (we were in second-to-last place) and we won the playoffs, beating the 2nd place and 3rd place teams. They were not happy.

Zim, it sounds like you are kicking some serious ass. Keep it up. I hope you guys get all the rolls.
 
Wally in Cincy said:
Todd, we do it that way too, with a wrinkle. The 5th place team is chosen at random from the 5th thru last place teams. So we actually have a use for the "pool pea" bottle now :D
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Yeah actually I think that is the way that ours does it too. We got "rolled" the first session we played (since we lost all those bonus points thanks to the post office and should have been in 1st). We lost our first match in playoffs too. Lame.
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APA playoffs

The APA playoffs are the primary reason for people sandbagging.

Easy solution.

Come in First you play in states.
Come in Second or lower. You are done.

In my APA league there are 8 teams that make the playoffs.
What does the regular season even mean ?

First Place plays the Wild Card this season it was the 7th place team
2nd Place Plays Third Place.
Winners face off for Tier 1

4th plays 5th
6th plays 8th (7th place was tier 1 wild card)

I was on the first place team many times and have lost to the wild card every time. Why because if you keep winning your handicap increases if you lose it could go down.

So there is an advantage to the lower seed if they get pulled out of the hat.

There is so much money that can be earned in that 2 week playoff that they will never drop it.

But if you want to stop people from not giving the best effort..
Award the winner and only the winner.

And like you said before the team that came in first before is already in.
If you does not beat them .. You do not get in.
This way they should recieve a bye in the first round for vegas for back to back league wins..

This would be the best situation.
 
Way to go Zim!
Good luck in your LTC

We have what we call regionals here that happens once a year and
the teams that get 1-2 there go to Vegas.
I am on a team that is qualified to compete in regionals in 2 weeks.
We didnt do any good this season and lost a couple players. Hopefully we can do okay at regionals but its definitely not the same team the finished
first and second the 2 previous sessions.
BTW- we have the top three teams and a wild card slot in our playoffs.
1-wildcard
2-3
Here you have to finish the playoff in first or second to qualify for regionals.
The regular season first place team does not automatically get a birth.
That team did get a birth in my old league before I moved.
good luck again
frankncali
 
reply to sandbagger situation, you can't take these handicap leagues too seriously. you make it to the states and you're a 6 and a 3 wins the lag then breaks and runs against you, leaving good position every shot. I have played in these leagues for 10 plus years and basically just enjoy my week night out, because the handicaps are ridiculous sometimes. I have to spot almost everyone in my league games, I just play my best and don't worry if I win or lose, just enjoy myself
 
I Also Played For Zims Team.,mike Had A Great Session.he Deserved To Be The "top Gun".i Went 10-6 This Session And I Think I Finshed About 10th For The Top Gun.for A 1st Session Team To Qualify For The Ltc Is An Accomplishment In Itself.congratulations On The Mvp Mike.now Lets Take The Ltc.that Would Be Something.
 
DAN D said:
I Also Played For Zims Team.,mike Had A Great Session.he Deserved To Be The "top Gun".i Went 10-6 This Session And I Think I Finshed About 10th For The Top Gun.for A 1st Session Team To Qualify For The Ltc Is An Accomplishment In Itself.congratulations On The Mvp Mike.now Lets Take The Ltc.that Would Be Something.
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Dan and I have been anxiosly waiting over a year for this season to arrive. I've been overseas since 1999. It took about 4-6 weeks for our team to gel and get comfortable playing with each other, like DAN D mentioned, this is the first session this team has played together. We we expecting to finish in the middle of the field, not 2nd place! It was a great suprise when we were climbing our way to the top and was able to hold it for almost 1/2 the session. DAN D and I are very proud of our teams accomplishments and are not worried about what happens at the LTC, just happy to be there! DAN D was struggling in the early part of the season, but found his stroke about mid-season and has had it the rest of the time. GOOD JOB DAN! DAN D and I learned in the past that it takes all types of players, personalities, differences and comratery to make a good players gel as a good team.
It's nice to hear stories of other leagues across the States.
We'll keep you posted as matches progress!
Thanks to everyone for the support,
Zim
 
Good Job Zim, and Congrats

Our team was the wild card and we beat the first place team last week, then this week we lost to the winner of 2 vs. 3.

We lost to them due to an unfortunate error made by our captain by exceeding the 23 rule :(

What happened was this, let me get your perspective.
We lost the first game
We won the 2nd and 3rd. I am playing on the 4rth about about to beat a 5 to win the night.
But, we split table and began the fifth game in case I lost to get it rolling. It was 11:00pm.

The player we threw was a 5 and exceeded the rule by 1 point. The other team captain waited for the first break, then came over and stated that we had exceeded the rule and we lost the whole night. Per the APA rules you lose the whole match if you exceed 23.

But, I was going to win the 4rth match, so the 5th would not have been required.

So, yes I know we broke the rule in error, but what do you think about the way the other team captain handled it?

On one hand, I may have done the same thing to get into the money tourney, but on the other hand, I would have probably stated what the problem was and have them throw another player.


What would you have done?
 
As you said, technically they were right. Unfortunately, there are alot of people out there that will take the win that way. Personally, I think your approach was the right one.

I would've informed them when they put the player up that they couldn't make 23. I've always been someone who believes in winning it at the table. Rules are fine and keep everything reasonably fair, but a match like that shouldn't be decided on a technicality.
 
I think everyone would have taken the over 23 rule.
It is the rule and a mistake by your captain.
Your captain is to blame on this one.
You have to know what combinations you have and can not play.

Its to bad. But its a loss of all games at that point.

Here is a greater question...

If the handicap system works why do you need a 23 rule ?
Could it be...... That you can get more teams that way ?
 
KingCarom said:
Good Job Zim, and Congrats

Our team was the wild card and we beat the first place team last week, then this week we lost to the winner of 2 vs. 3.

We lost to them due to an unfortunate error made by our captain by exceeding the 23 rule :(

What happened was this, let me get your perspective.
We lost the first game
We won the 2nd and 3rd. I am playing on the 4rth about about to beat a 5 to win the night.
But, we split table and began the fifth game in case I lost to get it rolling. It was 11:00pm.

The player we threw was a 5 and exceeded the rule by 1 point. The other team captain waited for the first break, then came over and stated that we had exceeded the rule and we lost the whole night. Per the APA rules you lose the whole match if you exceed 23.

But, I was going to win the 4rth match, so the 5th would not have been required.

So, yes I know we broke the rule in error, but what do you think about the way the other team captain handled it?

On one hand, I may have done the same thing to get into the money tourney, but on the other hand, I would have probably stated what the problem was and have them throw another player.


What would you have done?
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The way that early fifth match was explained to me was that it is not official
until the fourth match is complete. I am not sure if there is a rule in place for
exactly your circumstance but too me the 23 rule has not been broken as it has not been turned in. If you lose then you lose to the 23 point rule but if you win then IMO your team would win. What did your LO say?
I know that if you win then the last match never makes the computer so if it never makes the computer then it didnt happen.
Still a bone head move by the coach. It happened this session in my 9ball
league during the playoffs as well but in a true fifth match.
What a way to miss regionals or Tri-Cup.
 
I would never split tables in a playoff. Too hard to keep track of what's going on.

I would never have broken the 23 rule as your captain did. Even if I am drinking I can still do arithmetic.

If somebody broke 23 against me in the regular season I would probly take the forfeit. In a playoff.. well that's a tough one. The captain in me says take the forfeit. The sportsman in me says tell the other captain to throw somebody else.
 
frankncali said:
.....I know that if you win then the last match never makes the computer so if it never makes the computer then it didnt happen.......
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That was my first thought.

You know, just when you think you've seen everything :D
 
If somebody broke 23 against me in the regular season I would probly take the forfeit. In a playoff.. well that's a tough one. The captain in me says take the forfeit. The sportsman in me says tell the other captain to throw somebody else.
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I hear ya there.
This was a really tough loss for us. Especially so because in the second match my buddy played an incredible comeback, down 0-2 to come back and win 4-2 with the other player on the hill the whole time. Then in our next match our player beat the #2-3 guy in the league. I was about to stomp out my opponent in the forth then I hear this going on at the next table. Tough way to lose.
 
KingCarom said:
I hear ya there.
This was a really tough loss for us. Especially so because in the second match my buddy played an incredible comeback, down 0-2 to come back and win 4-2 with the other player on the hill the whole time. Then in our next match our player beat the #2-3 guy in the league. I was about to stomp out my opponent in the forth then I hear this going on at the next table. Tough way to lose.
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How is this for being a good sport.......

In singles regionals a guy and a girl are playing the finals for the spot to go to
nationals. Its hill to hill and the girl misses. The guy runs to the eight but is left a tough cut down the rail. He marks the corner for the cut and gets down. He doesnt like it so he gets up and looks at it again. This time he
spends a lot of time on the bank angle and then gets down and makes
a good bank into the other corner. Everyone just sat there. He then sees that he never moved the marker and goes to shake the girls hand. She
tells him that he won it fair and square and that she is not calling a foul.
He gets the spot to vegas for the nationals.
I have not been in that position but I dont know what I would do. In a team
event I made the decision after getting a little screwed by being a good sport to always follow the rules. With a team its more than just me that matters. I cant say that I would have let the guy have it or not.

I think the APA should have let her into the nationals. Its not like they take
an even tournament number of players. Tough moment for both of them
I am sure.
 
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