APA Cost Analysis vs Pro Tour

[Colonel]

7 figures a year, made all under one roof, but no pro tour from it? What a surprise.



I also see you swapped nit in exchange for frugal, too.



Full. Of. It.

Banks I know there's no love lost for me where you're concerned considering our past run ins but what's hard for you to understand. How to make that kind of $ out of a place in the 90's or why it wasn't used to fund a tour.

Making it was easy. You get an old supermarket, gut it. Outfit it with a sea of 9' Gold crowns and nice overstuffed couches & chairs & coffee tables in the playing area & you have a nice environment for your customers.

Then smack dab in the middle raised up above the pool area you create a bar & restaurant. 50 chair bar, 12 chair island, room for a dance floor on Weekends & a dining area with 20 four tops.

Then you hire a tragically beautiful woman armed with street smarts that knows how to work a crowd, a pro. Within a month she's got your bar packed all day long with guys that can't get enough of her. Your day bar cracks $1250-1500 a day because of her. She doesn't need to steal because you pay her 4 times what you pay a normal bartender & she's racking $200 a day in tips on top.

Then you hire an aspiring chef, formulate a menu consisting of fresh ingredients, locally sourced, nothing frozen & turn out a quality product that draws in a regular dinner & lunch crowd & its drawing $1500 a day.

With that in place it doesn't matter that you only pull $250 a day in pool because your daily average combined with the kitchen & bar averages 3K everything involved which is 7 figures a year, GROSS INCOME. Something all those misquoting me seem to have neglected to read in that original post, with your net after all overhead is accounted for being about a third if you're taking care of your people. Good money but hardly enough to support a tour. It is enough to live comfortably & not have to report to a cubicle everyday & I offer or owe no apologies for that.



What many here fail to understand or see is what Corey originally pointed out is with 250,000 members at 50 cents a week is $6.5 million. Could that support a tour, sure it could.

Everyone here on one side is indignant thinking someone has stated this should be mandatory. Or that someone is trying to tell someone what they have to do with their $. Or why should the APA support pro pool, what is in it for the APA?

Nobodies saying anyone has to do anything. 50 cents a week is $26 bucks a year which isn't much, that's piss away $. Multiplied by the masses, a heady sum. So why do it for pro pool? Again, the love of the game is a good start. Trying to save a sport that's dying, that you supposedly love.

What's in it for the APA or its players?
Increase of exposure to the sport, more people starting to play the sport perhaps joining the APA eventually swelling its numbers to what it thought it would be 15 years ago. A regeneration of the sport that we all love enough that we congregate here.

I don't understand how that would be bad. Do what you want, nobodies obligated to do anything in life but to listen to some of you it would seem 50 cents a week is a devastating sum, Really?

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Banks I know there's no love lost for me where you're concerned considering our past run ins but what's hard for you to understand. How to make that kind of $ out of a place in the 90's or why it wasn't used to fund a tour.

Making it was easy. You get an old supermarket, gut it. Outfit it with a sea of 9' Gold crowns and nice overstuffed couches & chairs & coffee tables in the playing area & you have a nice environment for your customers.

Then smack dab in the middle raised up above the pool area you create a bar & restaurant. 50 chair bar, 12 chair island, room for a dance floor on Weekends & a dining area with 20 four tops.

Then you hire a tragically beautiful woman armed with street smarts that knows how to work a crowd, a pro. Within a month she's got your bar packed all day long with guys that can't get enough of her. Your day bar cracks $1250-1500 a day because of her. She doesn't need to steal because you pay her 4 times what you pay a normal bartender & she's racking $200 a day in tips on top.

Then you hire an aspiring chef, formulate a menu consisting of fresh ingredients, locally sourced, nothing frozen & turn out a quality product that draws in a regular dinner & lunch crowd & its drawing $1500 a day.

With that in place it doesn't matter that you only pull $250 a day in pool because your daily average combined with the kitchen & bar averages 3K everything involved which is 7 figures a year, GROSS INCOME. Something all those misquoting me seem to have neglected to read in that original post, with your net after all overhead is accounted for being about a third if you're taking care of your people. Good money but hardly enough to support a tour. It is enough to live comfortably & not have to report to a cubicle everyday & I offer or owe no apologies for that.



What many here fail to understand or see is what Corey originally pointed out is with 250,000 members at 50 cents a week is $6.5 million. Could that support a tour, sure it could.

Everyone here on one side is indignant thinking someone has stated this should be mandatory. Or that someone is trying to tell someone what they have to do with their $. Or why should the APA support pro pool, what is in it for the APA?

Nobodies saying anyone has to do anything. 50 cents a week is $26 bucks a year which isn't much, that's piss away $. Multiplied by the masses, a heady sum. So why do it for pro pool? Again, the love of the game is a good start. Trying to save a sport that's dying, that you supposedly love.

What's in it for the APA or its players?
Increase of exposure to the sport, more people starting to play the sport perhaps joining the APA eventually swelling its numbers to what it thought it would be 15 years ago. A regeneration of the sport that we all love enough that we congregate here.

I don't understand how that would be bad. Do what you want, nobodies obligated to do anything in life but to listen to some of you it would seem 50 cents a week is a devastating sum, Really?

I wouldn't give 2 f@#king cents to fund a professional tour. I've seen the world's best screw over every single opportunity they've had to have tours. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Ask me to fund a professional pool tour with 50c a week? Screw that. I'd rather the money go to funding a ping pong table at the seniors club. At least I'd know they were using it and enjoying it.

Pool players do not owe other pool players a livelihood. They owe themselves a livelihood. Would Corey like me to give him 50c a week to go to college, like I did, and get a real job?

 

[BJTyler]

What many here fail to understand or see is what Corey originally pointed out is with 250,000 members at 50 cents a week is $6.5 million. Could that support a tour, sure it could.

Everyone here on one side is indignant thinking someone has stated this should be mandatory. Or that someone is trying to tell someone what they have to do with their $. Or why should the APA support pro pool, what is in it for the APA?

Nobodies saying anyone has to do anything. 50 cents a week is $26 bucks a year which isn't much, that's piss away $. Multiplied by the masses, a heady sum. So why do it for pro pool? Again, the love of the game is a good start. Trying to save a sport that's dying, that you supposedly love.

What's in it for the APA or its players?
Increase of exposure to the sport, more people starting to play the sport perhaps joining the APA eventually swelling its numbers to what it thought it would be 15 years ago. A regeneration of the sport that we all love enough that we congregate here.

I don't understand how that would be bad. Do what you want, nobodies obligated to do anything in life but to listen to some of you it would seem 50 cents a week is a devastating sum, Really?

Since "$26 bucks a year" is "piss away $".... why not extend this assessment to every working American? ... that would be over $2 BILLION per year.... now that's a tour worth joining.

Hmm...unfortunately the average working American doesn't give a damn about pro pool players or their tours so this idea may not fly.

But since APA members are so passionate and interested and vested in pro pool players, I can see how this concept really has legs!

 

[Colonel]

Since "$26 bucks a year" is "piss away $".... why not extend this assessment to every working American? ... that would be over $2 BILLION per year.... now that's a tour worth joining.



Hmm...unfortunately the average working American doesn't give a damn about pro pool players or their tours so this idea may not fly.



But since APA members are so passionate and interested and vested in pro pool players, I can see how this concept really has legs!

I think you have a little sarcasm dripping from your fangs there.

This blows my mind really. I mean this is a pool site. How many members here, especially those of you so violently opposed to this watch other pro sports, golf, tennis, football, basketball, baseball? How many buy jerseys of their favorite team? Attend a game, just 1 & pay $25 to park, $5 beers, $6 hotdogs? Now what do any of those pro sports do for you, anything? Do you play those sports? Belong to a forum & spend time posting about those sports?

You do play pool, like the game, buy equipment, join a league, join a forum & read & post on it regularly.

Your willing to contribute $ to a number of other professional sports that do nothing for you, that you don't play or belong to forums about & you think nothing of that.

Yet a sport you do play, buy equipment for, join leagues & forums you participate in & the thought of 50 cents a week towards something you love seems irrational. I can't wrap my head around that. I agree with KD, I'm outta here. There's no arguing with crazy.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

I think you have a little sarcasm dripping from your fangs there.

This blows my mind really. I mean this is a pool site. How many members here, especially those of you so violently opposed to this watch other pro sports, golf, tennis, football, basketball, baseball? How many buy jerseys of their favorite team? Attend a game, just 1 & pay $25 to park, $5 beers, $6 hotdogs? Now what do any of those pro sports do for you, anything? Do you play those sports? Belong to a forum & spend time posting about those sports?

You do play pool, like the game, buy equipment, join a league, join a forum & read & post on it regularly.

Your willing to contribute $ to a number of other professional sports that do nothing for you, that you don't play or belong to forums about & you think nothing of that.

Yet a sport you do play, buy equipment for, join leagues & forums you participate in & the thought of 50 cents a week towards something you love seems irrational. I can't wrap my head around that. I agree with KD, I'm outta here. There's no arguing with crazy.

What has one single pro pool player done for me, aside from ask me to give them money? Absolutely nothing. When someone is always asking me for a handout, I stop listening.

I put money into a league, and for that, they give me some competition, a venue, and some tournaments I can enter. That costs me about $20 per week. Plus my membership dues, once a year. So...perhaps those pros you mention can put up their own money to fund a "league of their own"? Higher level players. They could start the PPA - Professional Poolplayers Association. They could put higher monies in, and play against each other? Have monthly qualifiers. And compete for larger cash purses? Once this league takes off, they could also ask for some sponsorship, and actually work some events, and promote the game themselves?

The point is - we fund our own leagues. They're sustaining themselves. We aren't asking anyone else for a handout. So why should I dig into my pocket to bail them out? Have THEM put some money up, and build something. Have THEM build their business, instead of complaining.

 

[one stroke]

I think you have a little sarcasm dripping from your fangs there.

This blows my mind really. I mean this is a pool site. How many members here, especially those of you so violently opposed to this watch other pro sports, golf, tennis, football, basketball, baseball? How many buy jerseys of their favorite team? Attend a game, just 1 & pay $25 to park, $5 beers, $6 hotdogs? Now what do any of those pro sports do for you, anything? Do you play those sports? Belong to a forum & spend time posting about those sports?

You do play pool, like the game, buy equipment, join a league, join a forum & read & post on it regularly.

Your willing to contribute $ to a number of other professional sports that do nothing for you, that you don't play or belong to forums about & you think nothing of that.

Yet a sport you do play, buy equipment for, join leagues & forums you participate in & the thought of 50 cents a week towards something you love seems irrational. I can't wrap my head around that. I agree with KD, I'm outta here. There's no arguing with crazy.

Actualy the crazy are the ones that think a pro sport should be supported by league players who have carried the pool scene for decades
If you look at pools glory days with the ESPN contract how many pro's actualy made any real money , half dozen a dozen maybe ?
Look a BB how did that work out or the IPT we know what happened there
It's one thing to ask for a handout and offer a ROI its a whole different matter to ask for money that offers zero in return
To be taken seriously someone needs to present some kind of buisness plan or thier simply going to get laughed out of the room no one is going to blindly give anyone any money until that happens

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[Poolplaya9]

What many here fail to understand or see is what Corey originally pointed out is with 250,000 members at 50 cents a week is $6.5 million. Could that support a tour, sure it could.

Everyone here on one side is indignant thinking someone has stated this should be mandatory. Or that someone is trying to tell someone what they have to do with their $. Or why should the APA support pro pool, what is in it for the APA?

Nobodies saying anyone has to do anything. 50 cents a week is $26 bucks a year which isn't much, that's piss away $. Multiplied by the masses, a heady sum. So why do it for pro pool? Again, the love of the game is a good start. Trying to save a sport that's dying, that you supposedly love.

What's in it for the APA or its players?
Increase of exposure to the sport, more people starting to play the sport perhaps joining the APA eventually swelling its numbers to what it thought it would be 15 years ago. A regeneration of the sport that we all love enough that we congregate here.

I don't understand how that would be bad. Do what you want, nobodies obligated to do anything in life but to listen to some of you it would seem 50 cents a week is a devastating sum, Really?

Can you show me anywhere where anybody said they are against anybody who willingly wants to donate to the pros being able to do so? Anywhere? Please? I will help you. Nobody has said that. Yet you keep coming up with this "if the pros had millions of extra dollars it could help them" argument. Nobody said it wouldn't help them. Everybody agrees with you that it would help them. Nobody is against you or anyone else donating to the pros if you want to. Now that we hopefully finally have your misunderstanding and confusion between several issues straightened out...

The APA does not want to help the pros. They don't want to help out with their money, their time, or any of their resources. We all unanimously agree on this. Yet you keep mentioning that if the APA did help what a difference it could make. But you know they don't want to help, so why did you mention it to begin with? And why do you repeatedly keep mentioning it after that? Let me spell it out. T h e y d o n o t w a n t t o h e l p t h e p r o s.

The only reason to bring it up and the reason you keep mentioning it is because you want them to help out anyway even though they don't want to. This is called feeling like you should have a say in how somebody else spends their money. If you didn't feel this way there would have been no reason to bring it up when you already know they don't want to help now would there? This is what I was try explain to Kid Dynomite and he wasn't getting it either but if either of you really thought hard about it you would get it.

If you want to help the pros go ahead. Donate to your hearts content. If you want APA members to have the opportunity to donate to the pros then be all means create that opportunity (but don't expect the APA to help, you already know they don't want to). APA league members can be reached on AzBilliards, and Facebook, and any number of other places. But stop worrying about the APA and trying to get their help because you already know they don't want to help. They don't want to provide money, they don't want to give you access to their enrollment lists so you can solicit the donations--nothing. Yet you are truly still stuck on the "if only the APA would help" instead of just respecting people's rights to spend their money they way they want to spend it. You keep bringing it up because you want them to do what you want them to do with their own time, money and resources even though you know it isn't what they want to do.

Like I said, let us know when you set up this charitable foundation to help the pro tour. There are some who want to donate. But stop trying to force your will or even bringing up the APA or anyone else who you already know doesn't want to help because you are only doing it in the hopes that it somehow gets them to do what you want them to do instead instead of just respecting their choices with their own money. Get it now?

There are two kinds of people here. There are those who know the APA doesn't want to help and respect the APA's decision to spend their own money how they want to even if they don't personally like it. Those people would be me and the majority in this thread. Then there are those that know that the APA doesn't want to help out the pros but don't care because it isn't what they want and therefore they keep bringing up the APA and what the APA could do if they just wanted to in the hopes that this will somehow maybe get the APA to do to do something they don't want to do. That would be you, and Kid Dynomite, and Flip_dat_Quata off the top of my head. You know how the APA doesn't want to help but you don't care and you don't respect their right to spend their money the way they see fit because it doesn't agree with the way that you see fit.

 

[one stroke]

Can you show me anywhere where anybody said they are against anybody who willingly wants to donate to the pros being able to do so? Anywhere? Please? I will help you. Nobody has said that. Yet you keep coming up with this "if the pros had millions of extra dollars it could help them" argument. Nobody said it wouldn't help them. Everybody agrees with you that it would help them. Nobody is against you or anyone else donating to the pros if you want to. Now that we hopefully finally have your misunderstanding and confusion between several issues straightened out...

The APA does not want to help the pros. They don't want to help out with their money, their time, or any of their resources. We all unanimously agree on this. Yet you keep mentioning that if the APA did help what a difference it could make. But you know they don't want to help, so why did you mention it to begin with? And why do you repeatedly keep mentioning it after that? Let me spell it out. T h e y d o n o t w a n t t o h e l p t h e p r o s.

The only reason to bring it up and the reason you keep mentioning it is because you want them to help out anyway even though they don't want to. This is called feeling like you should have a say in how somebody else spends their money. If you didn't feel this way there would have been no reason to bring it up when you already know they don't want to help now would there? This is what I was try explain to Kid Dynomite and he wasn't getting it either but if either of you really thought hard about it you would get it.

If you want to help the pros go ahead. Donate to your hearts content. If you want APA members to have the opportunity to donate to the pros then be all means create that opportunity (but don't expect the APA to help, you already know they don't want to). APA league members can be reached on AzBilliards, and Facebook, and any number of other places. But stop worrying about the APA and trying to get their help because you already know they don't want to help. They don't want to provide money, they don't want to give you access to their enrollment lists so you can solicit the donations--nothing. Yet you are truly still stuck on the "if only the APA would help" instead of just respecting people's rights to spend their money they way they want to spend it. You keep bringing it up because you want them to do what you want them to do with their own time, money and resources even though you know it isn't what they want to do.

Like I said, let us know when you set up this charitable foundation to help the pro tour. There are some who want to donate. But stop trying to force your will or even bringing up the APA or anyone else who you already know doesn't want to help because you are only doing it in the hopes that it somehow gets them to do what you want them to do instead instead of just respecting their choices with their own money. Get it now?

There are two kinds of people here. There are those who know the APA doesn't want to help and respect the APA's decision to spend their own money how they want to even if they don't personally like it. Those people would be me and the majority in this thread. Then there are those that know that the APA doesn't want to help out the pros but don't care because it isn't what they want and therefore they keep bringing up the APA and what the APA could do if they just wanted to in the hopes that this will somehow maybe get the APA to do to do something they don't want to do. That would be you, and Kid Dynomite, and Flip_dat_Quata off the top of my head. You know how the APA doesn't want to help but you don't care and you don't respect their right to spend their money the way they see fit because it doesn't agree with the way that you see fit.

Those opinions might change if like I said someone actualy could do something other than hold thier hand out any plan without a plan is a plan to fail so this who thread is no more than a plan to fail
Till someone actualy has a plan with some tooth they should expect zero support that certainly can't be to hard to understand even for the Bernie supporters

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[TCIndepMo]

OK, so my local "old man touch football city league" collects $10 a week from 50-75 guys, which goes to pay for field maintenance (someone has to chalk the lines), equipment (no deflated balls around here) and pay the refs. Whatever money is left goes to the end of season (usually 8 to 12 weeks) banquet/party for the players and our wives/girl friends.

Our league will NOT be donating any money to any football playing pros no matter how much they whine and cry. Best we can do is plant ourselves in front of the TV all day Sunday and watch them beat the stuffing out of each other.

But as to money, they are on their own. They seem to be doing quite well without our bread crumbs.

Gee. Sounds like the amateur APA and its policy of NOT sending any money to any pro tour (if there even is one, anymore).

Above scenario plays out all over the country, every week. IMO.

WHY in the world would any amateur organization feel obligated to pay any money to fund any events for any "up stream" group of pros? Under any circumstances, for any reason at all? Some of you guys on this thread are really crazy. Which is your right, of course.

Crunch the numbers any way you want - it's the APA's money, not the pro players.

 

[Banks]

Banks I know there's no love lost for me where you're concerned considering our past run ins but what's hard for you to understand. How to make that kind of $ out of a place in the 90's or why it wasn't used to fund a tour.

Making it was easy. You get an old supermarket, gut it. Outfit it with a sea of 9' Gold crowns and nice overstuffed couches & chairs & coffee tables in the playing area & you have a nice environment for your customers.

Then smack dab in the middle raised up above the pool area you create a bar & restaurant. 50 chair bar, 12 chair island, room for a dance floor on Weekends & a dining area with 20 four tops.

Then you hire a tragically beautiful woman armed with street smarts that knows how to work a crowd, a pro. Within a month she's got your bar packed all day long with guys that can't get enough of her. Your day bar cracks $1250-1500 a day because of her. She doesn't need to steal because you pay her 4 times what you pay a normal bartender & she's racking $200 a day in tips on top.

Then you hire an aspiring chef, formulate a menu consisting of fresh ingredients, locally sourced, nothing frozen & turn out a quality product that draws in a regular dinner & lunch crowd & its drawing $1500 a day.

With that in place it doesn't matter that you only pull $250 a day in pool because your daily average combined with the kitchen & bar averages 3K everything involved which is 7 figures a year, GROSS INCOME. Something all those misquoting me seem to have neglected to read in that original post, with your net after all overhead is accounted for being about a third if you're taking care of your people. Good money but hardly enough to support a tour. It is enough to live comfortably & not have to report to a cubicle everyday & I offer or owe no apologies for that.



What many here fail to understand or see is what Corey originally pointed out is with 250,000 members at 50 cents a week is $6.5 million. Could that support a tour, sure it could.

Everyone here on one side is indignant thinking someone has stated this should be mandatory. Or that someone is trying to tell someone what they have to do with their $. Or why should the APA support pro pool, what is in it for the APA?

Nobodies saying anyone has to do anything. 50 cents a week is $26 bucks a year which isn't much, that's piss away $. Multiplied by the masses, a heady sum. So why do it for pro pool? Again, the love of the game is a good start. Trying to save a sport that's dying, that you supposedly love.

What's in it for the APA or its players?
Increase of exposure to the sport, more people starting to play the sport perhaps joining the APA eventually swelling its numbers to what it thought it would be 15 years ago. A regeneration of the sport that we all love enough that we congregate here.

I don't understand how that would be bad. Do what you want, nobodies obligated to do anything in life but to listen to some of you it would seem 50 cents a week is a devastating sum, Really?

It's equally as easy to raise prices a quarter on goods and raise as much or more. My issue is thinking that leaguers are expected to fund it directly.

You don't like boxes and im fine with that. They do pull in money, though. I'm up to about forty now, with many of them set up in such a way that they will be paying back a fair share once paid down, with additional avenues being looked at for even more support. Imagine a system in place that results in multiple tournaments each week with good added money. For example, a dozen or more places with monthly tournaments. I'm trying to find places for big tables, but the space required is too large for most to fit comfortably.

Now, if anyone wants to kick down a hundred k's plus, id be more than happy to immediately begin something that would probably be enough for top locals to live on. Until that happens, im working my butt off to create something sustainable while putting myself on the line for a lot of money(and growing). To constantly hear people wanting something for nothing, while doing nothing and insulting the very people that are making it happen, really doesn't help.

 

[jasonlaus]

If you have a product that people want, people will buy it - NOBODY want's to "buy" pro pool at any price. At least not enough to have a pro tour.
That's as simple as I can make it for you.

Too many other options out there to watch a "pro" who has no training regimine and is trying to figure out how to screw somebody else over.

All the $$$$ would still go to the same 4 or 5 people unless you paid the entire field, cause lets face it, in races to 15 there are only a few who will consistantly win.

Everybody get a trophy?

Jason

 

[BmoreMoney]

Banks I know there's no love lost for me where you're concerned considering our past run ins but what's hard for you to understand. How to make that kind of $ out of a place in the 90's or why it wasn't used to fund a tour.

Making it was easy. You get an old supermarket, gut it. Outfit it with a sea of 9' Gold crowns and nice overstuffed couches & chairs & coffee tables in the playing area & you have a nice environment for your customers.

Then smack dab in the middle raised up above the pool area you create a bar & restaurant. 50 chair bar, 12 chair island, room for a dance floor on Weekends & a dining area with 20 four tops.

Then you hire a tragically beautiful woman armed with street smarts that knows how to work a crowd, a pro. Within a month she's got your bar packed all day long with guys that can't get enough of her. Your day bar cracks $1250-1500 a day because of her. She doesn't need to steal because you pay her 4 times what you pay a normal bartender & she's racking $200 a day in tips on top.

Then you hire an aspiring chef, formulate a menu consisting of fresh ingredients, locally sourced, nothing frozen & turn out a quality product that draws in a regular dinner & lunch crowd & its drawing $1500 a day.

With that in place it doesn't matter that you only pull $250 a day in pool because your daily average combined with the kitchen & bar averages 3K everything involved which is 7 figures a year, GROSS INCOME. Something all those misquoting me seem to have neglected to read in that original post, with your net after all overhead is accounted for being about a third if you're taking care of your people. Good money but hardly enough to support a tour. It is enough to live comfortably & not have to report to a cubicle everyday & I offer or owe no apologies for that.



What many here fail to understand or see is what Corey originally pointed out is with 250,000 members at 50 cents a week is $6.5 million. Could that support a tour, sure it could.

Everyone here on one side is indignant thinking someone has stated this should be mandatory. Or that someone is trying to tell someone what they have to do with their $. Or why should the APA support pro pool, what is in it for the APA?

Nobodies saying anyone has to do anything. 50 cents a week is $26 bucks a year which isn't much, that's piss away $. Multiplied by the masses, a heady sum. So why do it for pro pool? Again, the love of the game is a good start. Trying to save a sport that's dying, that you supposedly love.

What's in it for the APA or its players?
Increase of exposure to the sport, more people starting to play the sport perhaps joining the APA eventually swelling its numbers to what it thought it would be 15 years ago. A regeneration of the sport that we all love enough that we congregate here.

I don't understand how that would be bad. Do what you want, nobodies obligated to do anything in life but to listen to some of you it would seem 50 cents a week is a devastating sum, Really?

Boy Colonel, your place sure sounds A LOT like the old Fast Eddie's - Alexandria lol??? Man I used to love going down to that place back in the day. It was all around awesomeness but the big, overstuffed couches is what really did it for me - the absolute best for sweating matches!

 

[Colonel]

Boy Colonel, your place sure sounds A LOT like the old Fast Eddie's - Alexandria lol??? Man I used to love going down to that place back in the day. It was all around awesomeness but the big, overstuffed couches is what really did it for me - the absolute best for sweating matches!

That was the place. Glad you enjoyed it.

 

[BmoreMoney]

That was the place. Glad you enjoyed it.

WAY COOL!!!!! I have made threads / posts about the place. Of course I had no way of knowing it at the time but I remember exactly when the demographics of the place changed drastically and I no longer had fun going there and obviously many others felt the same because the place went WAY WAY downhill very quickly and closed up fairly quickly as well. I assumed at the time it had to have been a change in ownership. Man I really did love that place. I used to go down and sweat & bet a lot of Danny Green's matches. I was also dating a pool chic from Alexandria so I spent a lot of time there because of that too. I had one of your bartenders turn me onto a drink recipe that I subsequently used with great success. The drink was the " CFM ". Do you remember that drink at all lol?

 

[KissedOut]

Wounded war veterans who are now incapable of working because of those wounds and who now live in poverty or near poverty or numerous other causes out there might be a better place for our spare money to go than pro pool but that is a decision that you and every other prospective donor has to make for themselves. Have fun and I am sure the personal fulfillment and satisfaction you get from your efforts will make all your efforts worthwhile since this is such a passion for you and since it will be making such a big difference in the world. Let us know when you set this up as seriously there are some who want to donate but in the mean time stop trying to force it upon everybody else on what they should be doing with their own money.

Real sports DONATE to charity, they do not expect charitable donations to be given to them. I do not know why these guys think that a solid stable system can be built on coerced "donations" from people that do not care about what they want them to care about.

If their tie touches a ball it is a foul? If their feet hurt from utilizing inappropriate shoes for long periods of walking/playing pool? If they are uncomfortable in anyway, it could be the difference in winning and losing?

So, why is it wrong for them to dress for the task at hand of winning the match?

Snooker matches are not 8 hours long of continous play like the format these guys you mentioned were in. They played for 5 days at 8 hours each day. Much different from a 1 to 2 hour snooker match that requires dress attire.

If their match and format was only 1 to 2 hours and similar to snooker then I could say it is a fair comparison. But, it really is not fair to make that comparison.

If they dressed in the formal attire and it cost them to lose due to being uncomfortable, it would be a very poor business decision effecting their lively-hood.

By the way, I have seen them dressed in formal attire. It is not like they are not willing and able. The make it happen last week had them all in formal attire. Even, T-Rex was in a tie and suit vest.

KD

Their task at hand that day may be winning, but then do not complain that no one wants to watch. Because if they had half a brain in their heads they would realize that their REAL task at hand is trying to make people care about what they do enough to pay them to watch.

As to comfort, the fact that pool organizes an event like this in a galactically stupid way (8 hours straight? - nice that they are so solicitous for the fans' comfort. It is well known how people just love to sit on one place for 8 hours at a time. Or watch 8 hours straight every day for 5 days.) is no excuse. Snooker finals are pretty long but they manage to pull it off without exhausting the players or the fans. And they have a LOT more fans to not exhaust than pool.

That may have been a great match to watch for the super serious pool players, but you are never going to support pool on the backs of the serious players, you need the general public, and there was absolutely nothing about that match that would even remotely appeal to the general public. Everything about that match would simply confirm the crap opinion most people have about pool, it's seamy past, and its flaky present.

And yeah, if your tie or your vest or anything else touches a ball it is a foul - as it should be. Except in our whiny modern American where we no longer believe in consequences. Pros generally play by the most stringent rules in sports. When pool players can't or won't do this then again, they are not respecting their own sport nor their own profession. When Allison Fisher came to the US she came as a cue professional and never deviated based on her surroundings. She respected her sport and represented it well. Very very few do that for pool.

Golfers are out in the hot sun for 6-7 hours and their own governing body won't let them wear shorts. But hey, what if hot legs causes someone to lose the Masters? That is a bigger financial hit than a pool player could ever suffer. But they are professional and represent their sport that way.

Look, no one thing is going to rescue pro pool. Personally I do not think ANYTHING could or will rescue it. But they need to stop rolling around in the mud and then wondering why they are dirty. You can come up with rationalizations for the way they dress and act all you want but the market will not listen to your arguments. They see two guys dressed like bums and say, "who care?."

If you have a product that people want, people will buy it - NOBODY want's to "buy" pro pool at any price. At least not enough to have a pro tour.
That's as simple as I can make it for you.

Jason

You mean you can't build a professional sport on the back of coerced donations? How is it that so many cannot understand this simple point?

 

[BmoreMoney]

Real sports DONATE to charity, they do not expect charitable donations to be given to them. I do not know why these guys think that a solid stable system can be built on coerced "donations" from people that do not care about what they want them to care about.



Their task at hand that day may be winning, but then do not complain that no one wants to watch. Because if they had half a brain in their heads they would realize that their REAL task at hand is trying to make people care about what they do enough to pay them to watch.

As to comfort, the fact that pool organizes an event like this in a galactically stupid way (8 hours straight? - nice that they are so solicitous for the fans' comfort. It is well known how people just love to sit on one place for 8 hours at a time. Or watch 8 hours straight every day for 5 days.) is no excuse. Snooker finals are pretty long but they manage to pull it off without exhausting the players or the fans. And they have a LOT more fans to not exhaust than pool.

That may have been a great match to watch for the super serious pool players, but you are never going to support pool on the backs of the serious players, you need the general public, and there was absolutely nothing about that match that would even remotely appeal to the general public. Everything about that match would simply confirm the crap opinion most people have about pool, it's seamy past, and its flaky present.

And yeah, if your tie or your vest or anything else touches a ball it is a foul - as it should be. Except in our whiny modern American where we no longer believe in consequences. Pros generally play by the most stringent rules in sports. When pool players can't or won't do this then again, they are not respecting their own sport nor their own profession. When Allison Fisher came to the US she came as a cue professional and never deviated based on her surroundings. She respected her sport and represented it well. Very very few do that for pool.

Golfers are out in the hot sun for 6-7 hours and their own governing body won't let them wear shorts. But hey, what if hot legs causes someone to lose the Masters? That is a bigger financial hit than a pool player could ever suffer. But they are professional and represent their sport that way.

Look, no one thing is going to rescue pro pool. Personally I do not think ANYTHING could or will rescue it. But they need to stop rolling around in the mud and then wondering why they are dirty. You can come up with rationalizations for the way they dress and act all you want but the market will not listen to your arguments. They see two guys dressed like bums and say, "who care?."



You mean you can't build a professional sport on the back of coerced donations? How is it that so many cannot understand this simple point?

On a serious note, don't the chics on the LPGA Get to wear shorts? I'm fairly certain they do. If that's the case, that's sexist! That's racist! Thats.......... just messed up!!!!

 

[lorider]

On a serious note, don't the chics on the LPGA Get to wear shorts? I'm fairly certain they do. If that's the case, that's sexist! That's racist! Thats.......... just messed up!!!!

It might be racist....i dunno ?

But it dang sure aint messed up
i dont know bout you but i would rather look at women in shorts than men anyday:grin-square:

 

[BmoreMoney]

It might be racist....i dunno ?

But it dang sure aint messed up
i dont know bout you but i would rather look at women in shorts than men anyday:grin-square:

Amen to that ! I do believe that some of the ladies on the LPGA and some of the Ladies pro pool share the same hair stylists maybe though?

 

[lorider]

Amen to that ! I do believe that some of the ladies on the LPGA and some of the Ladies pro pool share the same hair stylists maybe though?

Dont know....my eyes have never ventured that far up

 

[lorider]

Colonel.......i am going to try and be as nice as I can to you in this post even though he made reference to me as being a cheap nit and to go play with my pocket marker if I did not want to donate to pro players.

Sorry but my donations are reserved for a worthy cause such as st. Jude children's hospital here in Memphis

You came on here profoundly expressing your love for the game and talking trash to any one who disagrees with your opinion that we should donate to pro pool players.

After reading your post where you stated you used to own a pool hall / bar and grossed 7 figures annually I have to say every post you made regarding your love for the game reeks of hypocrisy. You banned league players from your establishment and expressed your dislike of them but yet you want league players to pull pro pool out of the hole its in.

From your description you had a bar / restaurant....night club so to speak that you relied on for the majority of your revenue and happened to have pool tables in it.

Based on your post I have to assume you either recently decided you had a profound love for the game or you are a cheap nit like you assume I am. Why do I say that you ask ? Because no where did you state how you used your establishment or your revenue for the betterment of pool which I am sure you would have stated had you actually done so. It seems to me you are a talker and not a doer.

Let me tell you about a doer. No names of the person or establishment but some on here will know who I am talking about.

This guy room over a pool hall a few years ago. Strictly a pool hall with a dozen gold crowns and 8 or 9 valleys. Served beer and your normal bar food.

Over the last few years he has made several changes as revenue allowed to what was already a decent pool hall.
He changed out the old tv's to all new flat screens but they are unobtrusive to players.

Replaced all the rickety chairs.

Although some league play was already existent he welcomed league players with open arms. Actually he welcomed any one who behaved themselves and would personally walk around to see if everyone was doing ok.

The tables started getting cloth replaced more often...actually on an as needed basis.

He started giving league players free time


He took out some seating and added 2 more gold crowns.

He then expanded into a small are next door putting 4 valleys in there and added 2 diamond 9 footers and a diamond bar box in the main room.

He has put on pro tournaments and brought in big truck to stream them.

He sponsors a few pro players in various tournaments

He had archer and Varner here when they were on tour and when a scheduled stop in Mississippi fell through 2 weeks later he paid for them to come back again .

Now it does not take a rocket scientist to realize he generates a lot less revenue than you did and he has less tables than you and no bar or restaurant .

Some how he has managed to do more for pro pool with his little pool hall than you ever did with your 7 figure revenue establishment.

Now this guy is a doer and has an obvious love for the game.

See the difference ?