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Well well, after spending 45 minutes reading the entire thread, I have to say it is a interesting one. At the end I could not hold myself from adding a few words.

This is for master9baller (Brian Lipes):

After ten pages of discussion about your story of how a guy ended punching you in the face (drunk or not, APA or not), and you expressing your initial frustration if whether the APA was going to acknowledge or not your teams winning and the trip to Las Vegas, and your complete explanation of how it all happened. It is clear to me that you also where in fault and by no means want to recognize it. It is hard to agree of committing a mistake on a public forum, it requires from a person being humble in heart and open to others opinions, which obviously you are not. I apologize if you feel offended because of my words but I'm speaking the truth out of my heart.

"The biggest battle is the one against ourselves" Mahatma Ghandi ones said.

According to Sigmund Freud's psychoanalytic theory of personality, personality is composed of three elements. These three elements of personality--known as the id, the ego and the superego--work together to create complex human behaviors. Obviously the part of you talking in this thread is the SUPEREGO. Which provokes you to insult and diminish all those who are in disagreement with you.

So, to not make this long, Mr. Brian, I invite you to review yourself and recognize that you also are in fault in this case and to review your own behavior.

You should also APOLOGIZE to all the gentlemen in this thread who were kind enough to share their opinion on your situation. It is irritating to read your arrogant posts of how good you played, and why those in disagreement are a NIT.

Rafael Reyes, from the State of Virginia.
PS, I'm not a NIT, and I can also play.

This may all be true, psychology theory and all. But why would I post if I had done wrong? If I had done anything wrong I would just say so now to save face. Obviously defending myself to strangers is costing me more than just coming clean. Now there's some logic in that right?

Are you guys all telling me that drunk people can only do reckless and irresponsible actions when they are provoked? What planet do you live on because it isn't here. More alcohol related aggression everyday. Certainly possible a man could snap because he lost a trip to Vegas and looked badly in front of his team. The opponent was highly regarded in his area as a player, who knows what his internal reactions were after losing 7 in a row. Alcohol inhibits the restraint that he may have otherwise shown. I can recall countless stupidities that I have untaken when drunk, why I don't choose to drink in public anymore.
 
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Red rep ??? Really, masterbat.... master9baller ???

Dude, you have isssues. Even PP recognized that when you posted in his threads.

Oh, by the way, this isn't YOUR thread. It isn't MY thread, either.

It is a thread in a PUBLIC FORUM. Get it ?

I live about 2 hours away from Syracuse. I have no desire to play you, the only reason being that your online persona has preceeded you.

I'm in the market for a cue for my son. After dealing with you here, I have no desire to purchase anything from you, either.

So your piss-poor attitude has cost you at least one sale.

I'll be watching this thread, waiting for you to dig your hole deeper...........
 
Red rep ??? Really, masterbat.... master9baller ???

Dude, you have isssues. Even PP recognized that when you posted in his threads.

Oh, by the way, this isn't YOUR thread. It isn't MY thread, either.

It is a thread in a PUBLIC FORUM. Get it ?

I live about 2 hours away from Syracuse. I have no desire to play you, the only reason being that your online persona has preceeded you.

I'm in the market for a cue for my son. After dealing with you here, I have no desire to purchase anything from you, either.

So your piss-poor attitude has cost you at least one sale.

I'll be watching this thread, waiting for you to dig your hole deeper...........

Well you know me and I don't know you. Maybe it's because I have a better game?? Maybe it's better we don't play then because I tire of giving guys like you the 7 out anyway. If you change your mind I would love to play, even for funsies.

Public forum, right one with that.
 
Has anyone else noticed that this rocket scientist changed post #4 in this thread yesterday ?

Well it changes nothing, we will win resolvingly anyway. I'm surprised they want another beatdown, but okay they asked for it.

I'm not anti APA, just letting the people know my own experience here. To me it was just too good a story not to.

I like the part where after the meltdown, with him up 2-0, he's about to break. ************* He takes out a roll of money, slaps it on the table and I say "You don't mean it.". Then he just picks up the money. I get up, with all his people stilltlking stuff, look at them and count them off 1,2,3... 8 (people) and say outloud "that's fair 8 against 1". Then I go on to beat him 7 straight games in dominating fashion.

All I can say is that when people shark you, you need to lay it down hard. You should not be made to tolerate it period. I just use whatever they do as my motivation. The smartest thing they types can do is just not kick a sleeping grizzly bear, especially when they are like a pooh bear.

*** He removed the part where he's about to break and I say "Bet from here, $500?".

What a piece of work this guy is.......
 
Her money was returned once the situation was controlled.

so then you admit that you received the money after it was cleared by paypal and that you refused to refund it.
So what was stopping you from refunding them their money if you had both the money and cue they wanted to purchase? What was keeping the situation from being controlled, you had both the $ and the cue?
Your account may have been locked, but if you had just communicated to the buyer to drop the paypal dispute, you couldve immediately refunded it, which you eventually did anyway, and the other thread wouldnt have been needed.

That is what I remember from that closed thread you started that also went bad on you.
 
so then you admit that you received the money after it was cleared by paypal and that you refused to refund it.
So what was stopping you from refunding them their money if you had both the money and cue they wanted to purchase? What was keeping the situation from being controlled, you had both the $ and the cue?
Your account may have been locked, but if you had just communicated to the buyer to drop the paypal dispute, you couldve immediately refunded it, which you eventually did anyway, and the other thread wouldnt have been needed.

That is what I remember from that closed thread you started that also went bad on you.

You and the guy above should go into law as prosecutors. There is no need for the truth in court either.

We'll just let this thread go to you and Mickey.

Mickey whenever you are ready my friend, anytime you and CNYpool and I can shoot for some $ if you like. You know who I am, where I am and that I'm game. You're such a big guy here so just bring it right? I would love to know who you were, but I am certain you are too scared to post your name aren't you? Just PM me then and we'll set something up. Otherwise keep on barking little dog....woof woof
 
You and the guy above should go into law as prosecutors. There is no need for the truth in court either.

We'll just let this thread go to you and Mickey.

Mickey whenever you are ready my friend, anytime you and CNYpool and I can shoot for some $ if you like. You know who I am, where I am and that I'm game. You're such a big guy here so just bring it right? I would love to know who you were, but I am certain you are too scared to post your name aren't you? Just PM me then and we'll set something up. Otherwise keep on barking little dog....woof woof

In court, its about what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. And witnesses are sworn in to court to tell their account of the tale, the absolute truth may be parts of both sides of the story or neither.
 
Lol, this idiot told me to stay out of "his" thread and I did until he mentioned my name again and then he red rep'd me. He's the type of guy I look for in the pool halls because you can beat his brains in for weeks and it will never be because you play better than him. He just wasn't playing well.
 
Count me among the nits...

Master9Baller comes across as wildly arrogant in this thread, and I also believe that his version is not exactly what happened...

My team and I will be there for Masters in August (and for 8-ball as well)...

And if you are looking for a game with a wager hit me up while I am there... Anybody who knows me knows I'll play and pay if I lose...

And since I am an APA 7, I *might* have a chance against you...

I'll shoot some barrels to find out...

Find me...

Jeff Georges
Dallas Masters, Dallas, TX
 
Count me among the nits...

Master9Baller comes across as wildly arrogant in this thread, and I also believe that his version is not exactly what happened...

My team and I will be there for Masters in August (and for 8-ball as well)...

And if you are looking for a game with a wager hit me up while I am there... Anybody who knows me knows I'll play and pay if I lose...

And since I am an APA 7, I *might* have a chance against you...

I'll shoot some barrels to find out...

Find me...

Jeff Georges
Dallas Masters, Dallas, TX

Now that's what I'm talking about. What's you team name, I'll look for you? I am looking forward to it. I would be happy to lose a few sets to find out how we match up...how else would you know right?

I don't know my rating, only played APA Masters, but I was told I'd be an 8 as I recall, I have never been rated. I have no idea how the system works.
 
Lol, this idiot told me to stay out of "his" thread and I did until he mentioned my name again and then he red rep'd me. He's the type of guy I look for in the pool halls because you can beat his brains in for weeks and it will never be because you play better than him. He just wasn't playing well.

ccshrimper, I recieved your PM about matching up when I am in Vegas. Please send me a phone number and I will be calling you when I arrive or a few weeks prior if you like. I'll be there on 8/19/11, Friday. Leaving 8/20/11 all day Saturday, the day before my event, to play either at the Riveria or the Vegas cue club just a few miles away. We'll see who means it and who doesn't.

McKinneyMiner, if you'd like to play some sets for $200 plus please pm me with instructions on how and when we'll match up. We can lock up say 3 sets at $200 apiece then go from there. I am staying through Thurday, so plenty of time to take my money, I'd rather give it to you than the casino anyway.

Anybody else just chime in, I am always looking for action. See we can play nicely in the sandbox can't we?
 
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I'll be in Vegas on Sunday the 21st...

I am playing in two events so I'll be making those a priority, but I am known to be a night owl and don't mind playing after hours...

This year I don't plan on leaving the Riviera for the Cue Club (bad experience last year), but I'll definitely be available and easy to find inside the hotel...

As we get closer I'll give you a phone number where I can be reached while @ the Riviera...

I'll try you some Masters format (8-ball, 9-ball race to 7) for $200 on the bar tables in the green room...

P.S. - My Masters team is Dallas Masters
 
Red rep ??? Really, masterbat.... master9baller ???

Dude, you have isssues. Even PP recognized that when you posted in his threads.

Oh, by the way, this isn't YOUR thread. It isn't MY thread, either.

It is a thread in a PUBLIC FORUM. Get it ?

I live about 2 hours away from Syracuse. I have no desire to play you, the only reason being that your online persona has preceeded you.

I'm in the market for a cue for my son. After dealing with you here, I have no desire to purchase anything from you, either.

So your piss-poor attitude has cost you at least one sale.

I'll be watching this thread, waiting for you to dig your hole deeper...........

he gave me red rep also. 1st time i ever got one. then he posts in my master league thread and made a very civil post giving me advice. figure that one out.

thanks for the advice master nine baller.
 
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Mickey you are just 2 hours from me why don't you want to come out and play? We can meet in the middle, Utica or Rochester and settle this on the tables.

We could. but here's the thing..............

First, I'll tell you a little about myself.

I've played in the BCA nationals, team and individuals, for quite a few years, the last time being in 2008. During that time, I've cashed consistently in the top 10% in individuals, and been able to help pull my teams into the money on a regular basis. My rating the last time I played in the local league was a 10, which is the highest you can go. Oh, and I cash regularly in local tournaments.

So there's an idea of the type of player I am. I think if we ever were to play, the outcome would be tough to call.

That being said, I would ask you for the 7, the breaks, and any other spot I could get. With the spot, my chances of winning have improved substantially.
As soon as you want to change the spot, guess what ? We're done playing. And your arrogance would have most likely put money in my pocket.

I tell you this only because I have no desire to play you. Go ahead, say what you will. Tell yourself I'm a nit, an APA 3, or whatever else you need to convince yourself that you may be the better player.
And you may very well be. I'm not disputing your abilities on the table. But you'll never find out how we'd match up against each other.

Brian, maybe before the second page of this thread, you could have had a chance to play me.

After reading your comments in this thread, I liken the concept of playing you to a car that needs too much work.

You're just not worth the time, effort, and headache.
 
Hmmmm.....

Mater9baller,

Your tone in writing this thread seemed to change after a few folks disagreed with you or questioned you on a few things.

I hope the 1st team you play in Vegas is "California Roll" from Bellflower. You may learn a lil humility. :eek:
 
I got one too, as Nit # 6 first one ever.

Hey Master9baller......I said it before and I will say it again.

You showed your ass and got what was coming to you. The more you post the more your true colors show.

Go ahead and red rep me again.

he gave me red rep also. 1st time i ever got one. then he posts in my master league thread and made a very civil post giving me advice. figure that one out.

thanks for the advice master nine baller.
 
I got one too, as Nit # 6 first one ever.

Hey Master9baller......I said it before and I will say it again.

You showed your ass and got what was coming to you. The more you post the more your true colors show.

Go ahead and red rep me again.

I got one too, he said "Nit #6 or 7 losing track, but thx for your life advice". looks like hes ticking off more people than he can count...He needs to learn to be more humble and learn some pool etiquette and manners.

I dont think hes ever been able to cash out at turning stone events, or even at the pro bracket of the joss tour yet...
 
he gave me red rep also. 1st time i ever got one. then he posts in my master league thread and made a very civil post giving me advice. figure that one out.

thanks for the advice master nine baller.

You gotta admit it was pretty good advice right? If there's one thing I know alot about it's pool. I'm done banging here with you. I can't take on 5 of you at once anyway.

ccshrimper and I had several nice PM's back and forth, he's off the hook too. The man is a shrimp boat fisherman, no lie, pretty cool. I appreciate hard work, I had alot of different jobs that required manual labor when I was younger, it makes all other jobs seem easy.

To the individual above I will be there to play sets and will contact you just prior to coming out to Vegas.

Sadly at least for now the local board has decided not to allow me to play in Vegas. Solely using the logic that I "must have done something to make the opposing player hit me". No evidence was provided by anyone other than the opposing team, who had obvious reason to exaggerate and lie. I was not notified of what I was accused of and I was never therefore allowed to mount a rebuttal, even though I had impartial witnesses available, including the room owner.

Mr Brad Rees the APA league operator for Onondaga and Oswego counties in central NY has a business affiliation with one individual on that team who helps him manage the Oswego county portion. He is friends with all of the other 3 who threatened me bodily harm and death by various methods. He never once contacted me to give my side of the story. He immediately went and spoke to members of the opposing team that evening to dicuss what happened and get their side of the story.

He tells me tonight, the first time he ever contacted me to say that I can't play in the event in Vegas, that the indivdual who hit me has a lifetime ban and for the other 2 "no decision has been made". No follow up meeting scheduled. So apparently you can threaten people as you choose, including murder and get away with it as long as you are tight with the league operator.

Consider that at most I told this idiot to "bet from here" following his drunken, disrespectful sharking and these guys were 1 foot from my face saying they would hit me. And I said " just do it then". It goes on for two 15 minute periods, after the 2nd game and then after I am struck.

So all I can say is that it was a joke. I was denied what I helped win for my team. I beat this guy 7 games, leaving him only 2 kick shots in that period, one he hit and sold out, the other he missed. They say I sharked him. How do you do that when they don't even see the table? In total I won 16 sets straight running away with it, averaging 7-3. They couldn't handle me, and still can't.

I will appeal this decision and let the APA office do what they may. Obviously I fully expect them to hold up the LO decision. He is very active, makes them alot of money. I am an advanced amateur player and not in their marketing strategy so they have no reason to side with me.

I will however be traveling to Vegas in any event to support my team who may well have just 2 members now. One player we have is out of state for work the past 10 weeks and will likely not make it. so now with 2 players on our team they have to each win both their sets vs. each team of 3 or they are out losing 1 set winning one and forfeiting the 3rd. They both intend to go because they feel they earned the right to play and they have. I am most sad for them as the league operator's decision has crippled their abitlity to win there.

If they do not travel to Vegas and play the $2090 in travel monies will be lost. Of course I would assume Mr. Rees will be taking that for himself. My team captain was told he must either be there in person to collect or submit appropriate airline or hotel receipts for an advance payment. Seems they play this game pretty well over there.

That's all I know for now. I'll post any news from the APA. They do have their policies and procedures to follow.

All I can say is that when I am there, you all got action!
 
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