APA National Singles and Team Championships Go Non-Smoking

It just isn't class to have a room full of smokers during a prestigious event. Even if it is the APA!
 
THATS AWESOME... when i was in vegas in april that was a HUGE drawback after being used to nonsmoking in CT..... Playing sometimes 16-18 hours straight in that smokey tournament center killed my eyes... i wear contacts... great news thanks for passing it along...!!!
 
APA & Smoking

That sucks....guess even though we've qualified I'll stay home. That will give you non smokers a chance to win it all. Good luck...............
 
Almost wish I was still playing APA. Having been at the national teams the past two years I realized it wasn't a pool tournament but a race to how many cigarettes your team could put down in a match. Sure there was pool being played but it was second to the renewed rights to have one lit while at the tables. Yuck..good riddance.
 
badbanks said:
That sucks....guess even though we've qualified I'll stay home. That will give you non smokers a chance to win it all. Good luck...............
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It's funny how for years we non-smokers supported our teams, leagues, and tournaments prior to any smoking bans, we tolerated hours of second-hand smoke, and basically compromised our health because of our dedication and commitment to the game, but it's interesting how some smokers aren't willing to at least make the same type of sacrifices and compromises for us.
 
Well, I don't know, maybe I missed something. Is smoking illegal now.

I guess alcohol should be banned, how about cussing.......and while we're at it, why don't we just ban people from wearing too much cologne or perfume.

And after that, we can ban any animal products, no cues with leather wraps and for sure no leather cases. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Jeff said:
Well, I don't know, maybe I missed something. Is smoking illegal now.

I guess alcohol should be banned, how about cussing.......and while we're at it, why don't we just ban people from wearing too much cologne or perfume.

And after that, we can ban any animal products, no cues with leather wraps and for sure no leather cases. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Hey, every time you drink, cuss, wear cologne or perfume, you don't compromise or even effect another person's health, however, every time a person is exposed to second-hand smoke their health is compromised and negatively affected, and that's each and every time, and that's a fact. As a matter of fact, another person's cologne or perfume doesn't get on your skin, in your hair, in your eyes, in your clothes, or settle in your food and drinks, like second-hand smoke does. Most people don't even realize that not only are you breathing in second hand, but they're also eating and drinking tar and nicotine, because at the end of the night, if that smoke is in your clothes and on your body, then it also settled in whatever you ate or drank that night..Yuck!

My question is, "What's so bad about banning smoking"? That's why we eventually had to have laws for child safety seats, laws against selling cigarettes and liquor to minors, and etc, and etc, because it's for the common and general good of society, and smoking bans fall right in line with that.
 
It's a cultural thing and the smokers are becoming the minority.

The safety issue is a bogus front for those who don't like the smell. I've posted this before, but no one has a problem with huddling around a campfire or grill with their children, exposing their families to the same carcinogens as smoking. But someone lights up around the corner, and these same people can smell it, call the police!

Fine. Smokers will lose this one. People love to support laws that require other people to change their habits or pay for it.

If you are a pool room owner, too bad.
 
I really hope this new law means no smoking in the hallways as well! That is great news...!
 
Da Poet said:
It's a cultural thing and the smokers are becoming the minority.

The safety issue is a bogus front for those who don't like the smell. I've posted this before, but no one has a problem with huddling around a campfire or grill with their children, exposing their families to the same carcinogens as smoking. But someone lights up around the corner, and these same people can smell it, call the police!

Fine. Smokers will lose this one. People love to support laws that require other people to change their habits or pay for it.

If you are a pool room owner, too bad.
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I don't think it's the smell alone, as much as it's the thought that if it's in your clothes, and in your hair, and on your skin, then it's also in your lungs. And I don't know of any people who grill, or huddle around campfires, indoors where the smoke would be confined and circulated around all day and night. Plus, if your a pool room owner it's not necessarily too bad, because here in Maryland basic patronage and the number of league teams have increased since the ban. And we actually have people bringing their kids in to shoot during the day and on weekends. They even started a junior league as a result the healthier environment. So it's not as bad or grave as you make it out to be.

Plus, if smokers are becoming the minority, then why should (or would) a bar or pool room owner be in trouble if the majority of pool players (or society in general) don't smoke. Wouldn't that mean more business for their establishment, than less business?
 
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To answer your question about why a smoking ban is bad for a poolroom owner. I am speaking as a former owner of a room that was forced out of business by a smoking ban. It is bad for a poolroom, because even though the majority of people no longer smoke, I consistently had a minimum of 60% smokers in my poolroom, no matter the day or time. The people that didn't smoke were almost always with a smoker. It was very rare that I would have a table of non-smokers. Why you may ask? Because the used their right TO CHOOSE not to go into my room because of smoking. Letting the market decide is really the fair way for a room to go no smoking.

That being said, the APA Nationals should be non smoking. Why? Because many of the folks that don't smoke would NOT CHOOSE to be in that environment if they had other options.

In my mind the smoking hysteria is a bunch of crap. For every person you tell me died young, I can tell you of 2 smokers that were still around (and smoking at 70+). Before I get flamed, I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 13 years and I am a cancer survivor (cause by global warming, not smoking :-) ). Given my choice, I would NEVER go to a business that allowed smoking (except one that would let me smoke an occasional cigar). But that is the key word. That I CHOOSE to go to.
 
doitforthegame said:
To answer your question about why a smoking ban is bad for a poolroom owner. I am speaking as a former owner of a room that was forced out of business by a smoking ban. It is bad for a poolroom, because even though the majority of people no longer smoke, I consistently had a minimum of 60% smokers in my poolroom, no matter the day or time. The people that didn't smoke were almost always with a smoker. It was very rare that I would have a table of non-smokers. Why you may ask? Because the used their right TO CHOOSE not to go into my room because of smoking. Letting the market decide is really the fair way for a room to go no smoking.

That being said, the APA Nationals should be non smoking. Why? Because many of the folks that don't smoke would NOT CHOOSE to be in that environment if they had other options.

In my mind the smoking hysteria is a bunch of crap. For every person you tell me died young, I can tell you of 2 smokers that were still around (and smoking at 70+). Before I get flamed, I haven't smoked a cigarette in over 13 years and I am a cancer survivor (cause by global warming, not smoking :-) ). Given my choice, I would NEVER go to a business that allowed smoking (except one that would let me smoke an occasional cigar). But that is the key word. That I CHOOSE to go to.
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I see your point, but what they're finding out is that many pool rooms, bars and restaurants are not closing because of the ban, and that in many cases the patronage has increased. So although you may have had to close your establishment because of the ban, we may find out that your situation is more of the exception than the rule. I honest and truly don't believe that people will stop going to all bars and restaurants just because of a smoking ban, particularly single individuals who want to meet other singles.
 
Where I play in NJ, before the smoking ban, the smoke was choking. You could see clouds swirling around the ceiling. My eyes would burn, and I had to walk out because I physically couldn't breathe. At first, I would put on a nice clean shirt, and pants to go out. I would reek so frigging bad when I got home my clothes went right into the hamper I had had to take a shower because I would wake up sick for the smell of the smoke in my hair. Eventually I would pull dirty clothes out of the hamper just to go out to the place. I really enjoyed playing, and smoking or smokers do not bother me in any way, but when it's at an extreme, it becomes the single thing that you don't look forward to when league night comes around.
 
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