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Gio Sr.

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I'm in my second season (SL4). My team members are great, but it seams that my captain has made some enemies. These guys are some heavy drinkers. Three times now, in different matches I have played, one of these guys fouls and my captain calls it. Then it hits the fan, lots of screaming back and forth between the drunk and my captain. Then the offending guy just keeps mouthing off calling fouls that did not happen, nonsense. I just stand there and wait for the dust to settle so can continue. Then I win because the other guy is drunk and pissed.

Is this the nature of the beast, APA Bar leagues? At 64 I sure don't need this BS. I would quit if it were not for the love of the game and my team.

Just my rant.
 
It's the nature of angry drunks, not the APA at large. If you've only seen this out of one team, don't condemn everyone because of it. There are a couple of angry drunks in my area but overall it was fun playing in APA.

If it is only the one team I would probably talk to the captain and say, "I'm too old to bother putting up with their BS so I'm not playing on those nights."
 
Sounds like you just have the misfortune of being with the wrong team. Certainly not APA specific.
 
Just make a report to your league operator.
The only thing that starts more fights than women is pool in a bar.
 
krupa said:
It's the nature of angry drunks, not the APA at large. If you've only seen this out of one team, don't condemn everyone because of it. There are a couple of angry drunks in my area but overall it was fun playing in APA.

If it is only the one team I would probably talk to the captain and say, "I'm too old to bother putting up with their BS so I'm not playing on those nights."
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The problem is it has been three teams.
 
Roadking said:
Just make a report to your league operator.
The only thing that starts more fights than women is pool in a bar.
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I'm thinking that that would bring heat to my captain, It seams they have issues with him.

I'm thinking I will just play at the senior clubhouses. There are plenty of those, not that there are saints, but at least they are not drunk.
 
I don't think it would bring heat to your captain. A matter of fact, your captain should be the one to talk to the LO.
 
Gio Sr. said:
The problem is it has been three teams.
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Yep, now I see that you said that...

Revising my original statement since it's been three times, I would examine my options and maybe bow out. APA should be fun and not having to deal with a lot of BS conflict and drama.
 
That's a tough one. From what i read your captain was right but the other team got upset. There are some who just say I want league to be fun so I would just let it go. There are others who say what's right is right. When your captain is wrong and causing issues then you have a problem. It kinda his job to stick up for his players but in a civil way. So your opponent fouls. Someone calls him on it. Your opponent say no there was no foul. He may or may not ask his team if they saw a foul. If I am not mistaken the call goes to the shooter. End of discussion. Then you let it go.
 
I wish you didn't feel like to had give it up, S/L 4's are always in demand, perhaps there is another team that would be a better fit for you, or maybe you'd consider starting your own team. Either way best of luck to you, no one needs the bs.
 
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jburkm002 said:
That's a tough one. From what i read your captain was right but the other team got upset. There are some who just say I want league to be fun so I would just let it go. There are others who say what's right is right. When your captain is wrong and causing issues then you have a problem. It kinda his job to stick up for his players but in a civil way. So your opponent fouls. Someone calls him on it. Your opponent say no there was no foul. He may or may not ask his team if they saw a foul. If I am not mistaken the call goes to the shooter. End of discussion. Then you let it go.
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Perhaps you missed the part about the opponent(s) being an angry drunk. His captain can be as civil as Ms. Manners but it's not going to make any difference: the angry drunk is going to go off like a Roman Candle.

I doubt the LO, and especially the bar owner, want to do anything about it. If you've got other opportunities to play, take them.
 
My captain does not get drunk, no one on my team does.

I understand the rest of your post . Thanks for your comments.


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Not sure if APA has a President of the League besides the League Operator, but, if we ran into this situation, we would request that the league operator makes a few visits to where these team(s) are playing and address it with that team specifically, then, if that does not curb the situation, the league operator could make other suggestions on behalf of the entire league.
Years ago, we had a couple of people on a certain team that were just poison to the league and after notifying the League Operator of the situation, we played that team down the road and sure as heck, same situation came to light and we just packed our stuff and left in a very kind manor, let the League Operator know that they did not heed to their warning(s)) and recorded a clean sweep victory for our team under the unsportsman like conduct rule. Not sure, but, apa mush have something like this rule available to use. A couple of forfeits by this team either gets them turned around or replaced on the roster or team stupid down the road. If all teams take a unity stance, the League Operator will not want to lose the league. Right now, the League Operator wants to save every single player unless they understand they will lose the whole league. A Petition works well with a number of signatures.
Just an opinion.
 
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So, on more than one occasion now, the drunk guy(your opponent) fouled and your team captain called him on it? No one on their team saw the foul? Or they did and tried to act like it never happened? I've seen this a number of times and not necessarily from drunks. Most of the time it is due to a close-call hit that is hard to see unless you're experienced and looking very closely at it. This unfortunately does not apply to most APA league players. Most of the time the rest of the team isn't even paying attention to the match. Then an argument ensues. Its hard to deal with sometimes. Especially when I'm sure of what I saw but I usually let it go in their favor to stop any bad blood from happening. By the book, the call goes to the shooter on a questionable hit as someone else mentioned. Unfortunately, when alcohol is involved this stuff is more likely to happen.
 
Poison Players

Players like that will eventually wear out their welcome on their team too. If the captain or a higher ranked player on their team cant calm them down with logic or the facts, then you have to go to your league operator. Personally, I love playing hot heads because you can get under their skin and boat race them, but I know how uncomfortable that can be for lower ranked players or (not to be sexist) women if the guy gets confrontational. We had a guy do that to one of our players during nationals in 9 ball a couple of years ago. He was half cocked and looking for a reason to explode trying to intimidate our player. Your drunk might actually think he is somehow sharking his opponents, which is rediculous. :sorry:
 
It's up to the LO to investigate & take care of it. If he doesn't then call St. Louis & tell your story. But if your LO don't know about it theirs nothing he can do.
Who knows maybe other teams have already reported him(them) & they're already on probation. Even if they're not they could still be suspended.
 
Third person

Get a third person that the both team captains agree with
to act as a referee during the matches with the drunks.
Then totally ignore the drunk or encourage him to quit
the league since it is so screwed up anyway!
 
It sounds like your team captain might rub the other teams the wrong way. I'm sure he was right about their fouling but in my experience with dealing with drunks, it takes a bit of tact. They are not going to be patient with someone calling them out, etc. Every time your team plays one of those teams it's going to be an issue. The bad blood now exists. I would get on a new team if you can but I don't see it getting better. You can get the LO involved but the issues will still be there unless he throws out the drunks.
 
Calling fouls creates conflict. And it will eventually end up with the "its up to the shooter."

There are ways to do it, but some folks don't have the tact, and do rub people the wrong way, which will illicit a strong reaction. I know someone who fits this bill very accurately :p He is a great guy, but very strong opinioned, and gets push back regularly.

My question to you is this: have you talked to people on other teams, to see if the drunks are causing trouble with other teams, too? Determine if the drunks are really the issue, or if its your captain. If the majority of the trouble occurs only when playing your team, you have your answer. And perhaps joining a different team would be in order.

And to answer your original question, no. It's not all drunks, all the time, in all the places APA is played. Anytime you play in places where liquor is served, you can run into some who overdo it. But its not the rule, not in my experience.

Good luck. It is supposed to be fun.
 
Thanks for all the support. Great comments.

Apparently my captain has made some enemies. Partly because he the calls fouls when they happen. That together with the fact he is a SL7 and there is some jealously. He is a good guy, but he doesn't take any crap.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no excuse for anyone getting stupid drunk during a match. For many reasons. A couple of beers fine but getting stupid drunk is just dumb.

I spoke to my team and I will get with the captain.

Thanks again

Lou
 
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