APA question....

[Scott Lee]

mongoose...I think you misunderstood what I meant. At the LOCAL level, very few APA leagues have any payback...unless there is an intentional payback league (larger LO's, I believe, have large cash prizes that are paid in their "City Cup" or "Triannual" tournaments). When I was in the APA, the largest LO in the U.S. (Terry Justice, in Baltimore) paid out over $200K annually, in prize money, just in his local league area. Of course he had over 1000 teams, in the early 90's. I had divisions in five areas, across two states. When I had my 'regional' playoffs, the winners would get the trip to Vegas, but there were cash prizes and trophies for other teams that placed high too. Of the five areas, only one chose to have a payback league, and they paid $5/week extra (per team), that went for payback $$$.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I know how the payout for the trip goes. But when I played APA the divisionals always had cash payback here & from what I knew or THOUGHT I knew it worked that way everywhere but apparently from what Scott said it don't. And I agree it is a JOKE thus why I do not play in it any more.

 

[mongoose-]

mongoose...I think you misunderstood what I meant. At the LOCAL level, very few APA leagues have any payback...unless there is an intentional payback league (larger LO's, I believe, have large cash prizes that are paid in their "City Cup" or "Triannual" tournaments). When I was in the APA, the largest LO in the U.S. (Terry Justice, in Baltimore) paid out over $200K annually, in prize money, just in his local league area. Of course he had over 1000 teams, in the early 90's. I had divisions in five areas, across two states. When I had my 'regional' playoffs, the winners would get the trip to Vegas, but there were cash prizes and trophies for other teams that placed high too. Of the five areas, only one chose to have a payback league, and they paid $5/week extra (per team), that went for payback $$$.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

I did misunderstand that some.. thanks for the clarification Scott. Interesting... I did not know that or had heard that before I just thought all APA leagues pay cash at the divisional level. But I can see what you mean as I know the actual LO will determine what type of setup he/she chooses to do for the most part.

 

[Scott Lee]

ArtOfTheCue...I think this says it all! 100% agreement! :thumbup: I tried my best, to be one of the good ones...but I knew several of the 'bad ones', and they frequently got away with murder.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

From what I've heard, it really seems like the APA can be a great experience with the right operator and a terrible one without. I really recommend it to new players as a way to learn the game.

 

[ronhudson]

You only get money in the APA if you go to Vegas. If you winn everything and do not go to Vegas you get nothing!! That's right nothing!! The money will go down the line until someone takes the trip and if they never happens then the APA will keep the money for themselves.

That's simply not true. APA here pays for games won during the session plus pays teams that win the session, and then also pays teams that finish high in the end of session playoffs.

 

[mr8ball]

That's simply not true. APA here pays for games won during the session plus pays teams that win the session, and then also pays teams that finish high in the end of session playoffs.

Well Sir I am glad it worked for you, but here where I live (Lynchburg VA) the team I played on won the session and then the qualifier to the regionals and did not get anything but a metal. I was a 9 in 9 ball with a 100% winning record and all I got was a book bag and a little metal. I don't know maybe the people that run the league here decided to keep it for themselves. No matter to me anymore, I will never play APA again. I love the format in 9 ball but I do like to get something back for my effort and my money. Now we have our own money league with a 100% payback plus added money so everything is good and we also have won a trip to Vegas. for the BCA. If you like the APA that is great, enjoy it. This was my experience the first time I played and I don't want to ever play it again.

 

[ronhudson]

Well Sir I am glad it worked for you, but here where I live (Lynchburg VA) the team I played on won the session and then the qualifier to the regionals and did not get anything but a metal. I was a 9 in 9 ball with a 100% winning record and all I got was a book bag and a little metal. I don't know maybe the people that run the league here decided to keep it for themselves. No matter to me anymore, I will never play APA again. I love the format in 9 ball but I do like to get something back for my effort and my money. Now we have our own money league with a 100% payback plus added money so everything is good and we also have won a trip to Vegas. for the BCA. If you like the APA that is great, enjoy it. This was my experience the first time I played and I don't want to ever play it again.

That's why there is more than one league to play in. And if don't like any of them, then you can just start your own.

As far as the 9-ball format, I am just the opposite on that. I don't like it. First of all, it's not 9-ball -- it's rotation pool played with 9 balls on the table.

 

[DelaWho???]

That's why there is more than one league to play in. And if don't like any of them, then you can just start your own.

As far as the 9-ball format, I am just the opposite on that. I don't like it. First of all, it's not 9-ball -- it's rotation pool played with 9 balls on the table.

I like to call it short rack straight pool.....

 

[Rich R.]

mongoose...I think you misunderstood what I meant. At the LOCAL level, very few APA leagues have any payback...unless there is an intentional payback league (larger LO's, I believe, have large cash prizes that are paid in their "City Cup" or "Triannual" tournaments). When I was in the APA, the largest LO in the U.S. (Terry Justice, in Baltimore) paid out over $200K annually, in prize money, just in his local league area. Of course he had over 1000 teams, in the early 90's. I had divisions in five areas, across two states. When I had my 'regional' playoffs, the winners would get the trip to Vegas, but there were cash prizes and trophies for other teams that placed high too. Of the five areas, only one chose to have a payback league, and they paid $5/week extra (per team), that went for payback $$$.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Scott, you are absolutely correct. I used to play in the Baltimore Area, owned by Terry Justice, and there were pay backs at just about every level of playoffs, the Triannual and the Vegas Qualifier.

I currently play in the Washington DC area, which boarders Terry's area and is almost as large. In this area, every team that finishes as the points leader of their division, at the end of the session, gets some cash. There is more cash in the playoffs, Triannual and Vegas Qualifier tournaments. There is also an MVP tournament each session which pays cash prizes.

These cash prizes are all in addition to the money the top teams get for their trip to Vegas.

It is obvious to me that the amount of pay backs has to be in direct proportion to the size of the league. I happen to live on the boarder between two of the largest APA areas in the country, so there are a lot of pay backs. However, in smaller areas, I can see where a LO would not have to resources to pay back as much. We have to remember, the APA is a business and the LO are in business to make a profit. They don't do all of this work for charity.