APA Rules Answer - Jumping

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Here is the email from APA National Headquarters...


Daniell,
Thanks for contacting the APA with your questions.
It is perfectly acceptable to switch cues during a game to perform
different shots. As long as you are not using a cue designed especially for jump shots. Which means if you have a cue that you use for breaking and want to switch to it (and it is a regular game cue) to attempt a jump shot that would be fine.

Glenda
Team APA
 
iba7467 said:
Here is the email from APA National Headquarters...


Daniell,
Thanks for contacting the APA with your questions.
It is perfectly acceptable to switch cues during a game to perform
different shots. As long as you are not using a cue designed especially for jump shots. Which means if you have a cue that you use for breaking and want to switch to it (and it is a regular game cue) to attempt a jump shot that would be fine.

Glenda
Team APA
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Wow, this is borderline retarded. I mean, how is this supposed to be implemented? Are captains supposed to keep the Blue Book of Cues by their side to make sure a cue isn't specifically designed for jumping? I'm sorry but I cannot imagine any official allowing you to switch cues (unless you have Glenday refing your match).
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, this is borderline retarded. I mean, how is this supposed to be implemented? Are captains supposed to keep the Blue Book of Cues by their side to make sure a cue isn't specifically designed for jumping? I'm sorry but I cannot imagine any official allowing you to switch cues (unless you have Glenday refing your match).
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New invention idea: jump cue that has a hollow butt so that it is weighted similar to a jump cue but looks like a break cue... ;)
 
seymore15074 said:
New invention idea: jump cue that has a hollow butt so that it is weighted similar to a jump cue but looks like a break cue... ;)
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You think that's new? Dude, I saw a full length cue that was something like 12 oz.

I picked it up and almost accidently speared the ceiling.
 
Basically, it just cannot be broken down to be a short jump cue. From my understanding, as long as it's a full cue, it's fine.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
You think that's new? Dude, I saw a full length cue that was something like 12 oz.

I picked it up and almost accidently speared the ceiling.
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Damn. Thought I had a winner... :o
 
OneArmed said:
Basically, it just cannot be broken down to be a short jump cue. From my understanding, as long as it's a full cue, it's fine.
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That's what I got from the email.
 
iba7467 said:
It is perfectly acceptable to switch cues during a game to perform
different shots. As long as you are not using a cue designed especially for jump shots. Which means if you have a cue that you use for breaking and want to switch to it (and it is a regular game cue) to attempt a jump shot that would be fine.
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That was my understanding as well.

However, as Jude pointed out in another thread - the text in the rulebook can be read differently than this. You might email this Glenda gal back and point that out.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, this is borderline retarded. I mean, how is this supposed to be implemented? ...
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Lots of break-jump cues have the very hard tips that make good jump cues even when not in the lighter jump configuration. I wonder if those are permitted.

As for the very light regular length cue, I think Pat Fleming was experimenting with those 30 years ago.
 
I was told once you put down your break cue from breaking you cant go back to it. you have play out with your playing cue

this was from a APA person in St. Louis
 
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seymore15074 said:
New invention idea: jump cue that has a hollow butt so that it is weighted similar to a jump cue but looks like a break cue... ;)
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Dave Fernandez (he plays in the MA area) has a cue like that. It's a 12 oz break cue with phenolic tip. Jumps pretty sporty.
 
IRUNRAKS said:
I was told once you put down your break cue from breaking you cant go back to it. you have play out with you playing cue

this was from a APA person in St. Louis
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That's the interpretation in my APA division, too. I have a sledgehammer J/B that I can pretty easily jump a ball with, full-length. I'd love to be able to go to it in the middle of a rack without having to shoot the entire rack with it, but I've always heard that's not allowed; that after the break shot, you have to stay with one cue for the whole rack.

If the APA is saying I can use the full-length sledgehammer for a jump shot during the rack, then how do I convince the other people in my league of this so I can actually get away with doing it?

-Andrew
 
I always thought it was illegal to switch cues during a match after the break as well. Even if you were to use a break cue I thought it would be illegal to use it in the rack...


I always stayed with strickland style full cue jumps, but now that I use a predator shaft with layered tips, I thought I was sol in APA play
 
I had been told on this forum that the rules had changed and that they would allow you to change cues in the middle of a match, but when the shot finally came up in Vegas, the refs said no way, you finish the game with the cue that you shoot the shot immediately after the break with, no exceptions.
 
iba7467 said:
Here is the email from APA National Headquarters...


Daniell,
Thanks for contacting the APA with your questions.
It is perfectly acceptable to switch cues during a game to perform
different shots. As long as you are not using a cue designed especially for jump shots. Which means if you have a cue that you use for breaking and want to switch to it (and it is a regular game cue) to attempt a jump shot that would be fine.

Glenda
Team APA
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As Jude points out the key here is the parenthetical statement "(and it is a regular game cue)". It leaves wide open the definition of "regular game cue". Does that mean it has to have a leather tip? What does it mean?
 
iba7467 said:
Here is the email from APA National Headquarters...


Daniell,
Thanks for contacting the APA with your questions.
It is perfectly acceptable to switch cues during a game to perform
different shots. As long as you are not using a cue designed especially for jump shots. Which means if you have a cue that you use for breaking and want to switch to it (and it is a regular game cue) to attempt a jump shot that would be fine.

Glenda
Team APA
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I had heard someone else say this once, but it is just ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason to "switch cues during a game to perform different shots" unless the cue is *not* a regular game cue!

Although it does leave open the possibility of carrying around a masse cue just for APA use:)
 
Andrew Manning said:
If the APA is saying I can use the full-length sledgehammer for a jump shot during the rack, then how do I convince the other people in my league of this so I can actually get away with doing it?

-Andrew
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Print out my response from the APA national office from the original post.
 
catscradle said:
Does that mean it has to have a leather tip?
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Does your break cue have a leather tip? Your break cue is a regular game cue. The way I read the email is as long as it has some other function than jumping (i.e. breaking) it is allowed.
 
iba7467 said:
Does your break cue have a leather tip? Your break cue is a regular game cue. The way I read the email is as long as it has some other function than jumping (i.e. breaking) it is allowed.
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It doesn't say "A regular game cue", it says "YOUR regular game cue". "cue" is singular, not plural. Look buddy, I know you have a good heart here but there's an excellent chance you just stumbled across the one person at APA Land that will give you the answer you want to hear. Good luck in finding another!
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
It doesn't say "A regular game cue", it says "YOUR regular game cue". "cue" is singular, not plural. Look buddy, I know you have a good heart here but there's an excellent chance you just stumbled across the one person at APA Land that will give you the answer you want to hear. Good luck in finding another!
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What's the difference anyway? No need to become concerned...
 
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