APA ruling question

Thanks all for your responses.
I basically felt that even though this was not intentional it was a cue ball foul nonetheless.
Earlier that evening I made the 8 in the wrong pocket...a banking situation. That was an accident... so instead of calling it a loss I should be able to shoot again and make the 8 ball in the correct pocket. I'm sure they would have gone along with that...lol
ruk
 
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pooltchr said:
Unless they changed it, the APA rules state that a coach is not supposed to have a cue in his hands at the table while coaching.
Steve
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They must have changed that rule, since it hasn't been in any rulebook going back to the late 90's. The coach is not supposed to guide the players cue.

This was definitely a foul. I would call it. There should never be a conversation about *how much* to bend the rules. If my opponent fails to mark his pocket and shoots the 8 in to an obvious pocket, I personally would never call that on him, because it is obvious what is going on. However, if I did the same thing, I would expect to lose the game. If the other team wanted to be lenient about it, great, but I certainly wouldn't argue about it with them.
Still, moving the balls on the table is careless and slightly disrespectful. Definite foul.

KMRUNOUT
 
Well there's also the sneaky possibility.

It could well be that the cue ball was just a liiiiittle bit off for the shot he wanted his player to take - so he "oops!" moved the cue ball, and placed it back close to where it was, but a hair over to the side - enough to make the shot easier for his teammate.

Just my two paranoid cents. :D

In any case, the cue ball was moved when it shouldn't have been - that is a foul, no two ways around it.
 
When I mentioned how the coach was holding the cue I did so to describe how the cue ball was fouled. I never thought that the act of holding a cue was a foul.
ruk
 
Well I'm somewhat relieved that you all feel that calling the foul was the proper thing to do under the circumstances...thanks all for your support!
ruk
 
rukiddingme said:
I was told by the opposing team that this is a fun league and that I should let it go. ruk
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I love this response from the offender. "Fun league" then they tell me what I sould do.. "let it go" like they are in a position to say who is to have all the fun!!!

My immediate reply is always "Great, if it is fun, then you shouldn't care that I have my fun by obeying the rules when competing"
 
Simple solution

I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's my firm belief that there should be no coaching allowed in league pool.

When I step up to the table, I want to be playing one opponent not a whole team, how else are you supposed to take advantage of an opponents weaknesses if they're allowed to get advice on how to get out of the trap you've put them in.
 
supergreenman said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's my firm belief that there should be no coaching allowed in league pool.

When I step up to the table, I want to be playing one opponent not a whole team, how else are you supposed to take advantage of an opponents weaknesses if they're allowed to get advice on how to get out of the trap you've put them in.
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Disagree wholeheartedly.

I've been in leagues that have allowed coaching. Coaching is an excellent learning opportunity. I've learned how to handle myself better in what would otherwise be quite difficult situations. Makes for a smarter player.

I've also seen many others, who have obviously not had that benefit, who don't even know some of the basics. It's in those moments where it is clearly evident the difference between the lack of knowledge.

It works very well for players who are looking to learn to play better / stronger.

But to each their own... Some may like it your way, and others may not... Don't have to imply that there can't be alternatives.
 
The coach actually hit the c/b with the cue and moved it approx. 15". This is the basis of the foul and violation of the rules.

If we are going to ignore this rule, what is the point for ANY of the rules? I don't think we should be adhering to the rules on a sliding scale saying one rule is more or less important than another. The rules are the rules and we should honor them all. If you were in a play-off or the cities would you ignore a rule? In tournaments you would be called if you moved the c/b 1/32" let alone 15".
 
At the risk, of taking this thread off topic, I can see both sides of the coaching/no coaching discussion having played both ways. Here's my two cents worth...

As long as the rules are the same for everyone, and they're clearly understood before play begins, I think any set of rules is fair. No one can force you to agree to play by any set of rules.

In a lot of cases, if your opponent didn't see the shot, there's a good chance they won't be able to execute it successfully anyway.
 
FLICKit said:
Disagree wholeheartedly.

I've been in leagues that have allowed coaching. Coaching is an excellent learning opportunity. I've learned how to handle myself better in what would otherwise be quite difficult situations. Makes for a smarter player.

I've also seen many others, who have obviously not had that benefit, who don't even know some of the basics. It's in those moments where it is clearly evident the difference between the lack of knowledge.

It works very well for players who are looking to learn to play better / stronger.

But to each their own... Some may like it your way, and others may not... Don't have to imply that there can't be alternatives.
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I agree completely. How are the lower level players supposed to learn if they cannot be coached? That is what the APA is for. Have a few higher level players that can help the lower level players get to a higher level.

If you don't like coaching, don't play APA.
 
Doesn't Coaching include RULES?

It should!

Coaches that don't include rules violations and how to 'call a foul' and how to 'respond to fouls being called', coaches IMO that don't include rule situations leave something to be desired.
 
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