APA Safety situation, 8-ball

thyme3421

thyme3421

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You're stripes... hill hill... it's APA so this guy can foul all night
long... he just gave you Ball in hand for the 3rd time in a row... he's
pushed the 15 into the 8 so it's closer and closer to the pocket... What
do you do?

tomorrow I'll post with what I did.
 
you call a stalemate and start the game over, look up in the rules for a stalemate, if I remember correctly its either 3 or 4 times BIH in a row and it becomes a stalemate.
 
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You're stripes... hill hill... it's APA so this guy can foul all night
long... he just gave you Ball in hand for the 3rd time in a row... he's
pushed the 15 into the 8 so it's closer and closer to the pocket... What
do you do?

tomorrow I'll post with what I did.
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I cannot see how this isn't going to be a multi-inning solution. I mean, there are some ridiculous shots here but the correct play is to create a situation where you can drive your ball out while leave it safe on the 8ball (if it's kissed up against the 8-ball, that should be pretty safe). Even then, you're taking your chances.

Assuming you have two good 7s and the 8ball has gotten very close to the corner pocket, I might consider restarting the game, especially if I'm the one who broke.
 
selftaut said:
you call a stalemate and start the game over, look up in the rules for a stalemate, if I remember correctly its either 3 or 4 times BIH in a row and it becomes a stalemate.
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This isn't correct. The rules for stalemate are that both players are refusing to take the ball in hand foul. If both parties are just snugging the balls up, it's still game on. It USED to be that 3 consecutive passes by each player was a stalemate, but that changed years ago.

If this was your solution, thyme, you got the rule wrong.
 
Yep. We had that come up two weeks ago between a 2 and a 7. Stalemate was called. The situation was much more drastic then the one shown above. The balls were dead frozen and a ton closer to the pocket.
Both decided very early not to make it an arguement, and the captain asked for a stalemate.
 
Depends on how good of a player he is. I might line up a straight shot past the 8, banking the 15 out of there and playing a stop shot tieing the cueball on the 8ball. No cut shot and he would have to use english on the cueball to kick one rail at it. Lots of factors could make him miss that one, dead rail, too much/not enough english, etc. Make sure you bank the 15 with enough speed to get next to the side pocket.

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I would put the cue ball right on top of the 8 and bank the 15 two rails (end to end) and try and pull the cue ball back so that if he wanted to kick at the 8 then he could. I would want the 15 to come back down so that if he did kick and miss, the 15 would be near the corner opposite the 8. Yeah its a gamble, but Im gonna go down swinging or make him swing. JMO.

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From the APA Manual, page 49. In the FOULS section:

"In the unlikely event that a game should ever become stalemated, meaning that neither player wants or can make use of ball-in-hand, then the balls are reracked, the same player breaks and the innings for the stalemated game are crossed off the scoresheet."
 
The more distance between the 15 and the 8, the better, but it's a delicate shot so don't overdo it. Tip placement is critical. Ideally, you could leave it near the corner or side pocket.
Repeat if necessary. He's bound to leave the 15 open eventually or go for a bank on the 8.
Not nudging the 8 is more important than freezing to it.

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Edit: Page 2 might be a little simpler. Straight stop shot leaving a kick shot on the 8 and only a thin cut bank if he wants to tie the balls up again.
 
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I'd probably do something along these lines... (three pages on the Wei table, second one is an accidental duplicate)

1. Cut the fifteen softly to get it to rest against the eight as shown.
2. Hopefully your opponent gives you ball in hand, and if the layout remains undisturbed...
3. Bank the fifteen into the middle of the table, leaving the cue frozen (or near frozen) to the eight, but slightly behind it (between the eight and the nearest corner). Hopefully he tries the english kick and fails.

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kicker said:
The more distance between the 15 and the 8, the better, but it's a delicate shot so don't overdo it. Tip placement is critical. Ideally, you could leave it near the corner or side pocket.
Repeat if necessary. He's bound to leave the 15 open eventually or go for a bank on the 8.
Not nudging the 8 is more important than freezing to it.

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The only problems I see with this is that it is very difficult to make them separate and leave the cueball where you are showing and also that it opens up a fairly easy one rail kick at the 8.
Based on your screen name I am surprised you didn't account for this :)
 
Koop said:
The only problems I see with this is that it is very difficult to make them separate and leave the cueball where you are showing and also that it opens up a fairly easy one rail kick at the 8.
Based on your screen name I am surprised you didn't account for this :)
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Nobody can kick but me! :p

Seriously... It's a reverse english kick. I'll give most players that until they start making them consistently.
 
kicker said:
Nobody can kick but me! :p

Seriously... It's a reverse english kick. I'll give most players that until they start making them consistently.
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Ok, fair enough ;)

Koop - made one Monday night :D
 
I would probaly take cb in hand and place it close to the 8 and hit the 15 with a little bottom and a lot of right. That way the 15 should come out to around the spot and the cb should travel to the long rail and up table to the other long rail. If this was the hill match I think that I would know the table speed well enough to make it stop close to that rail.
 
kicker said:
Seriously... It's a reverse english kick. I'll give most players that until they start making them consistently.
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Yep....especially if you position the cue ball so the eight is hampering easy cueing to apply the english to the necessary side.
 
If you're feeling sporty and you're worried about the kick, something like this might work (the path of the 15 is a bit off, but that's not as important as the 8):

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kicker said:
Nobody can kick but me! :p

Seriously... It's a reverse english kick. I'll give most players that until they start making them consistently.
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Unfortunately, they only have to do it once. :)
 
selftaut said:
you call a stalemate and start the game over, look up in the rules for a stalemate, if I remember correctly its either 3 or 4 times BIH in a row and it becomes a stalemate.
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There was no stalemate called...

I think no one thought of that option at the time, but I wouldn't have gone for that if the option was presented anyway.

- goes down swingin'
 
I have found that in this situation it might take a number of turns to position my object ball so that I can knock his ball to the other rail past the pocket and leave my ball about a half inch off the rail allowing me to wedge the cue ball between the rail and my ball.

This will take the far end of the table away from him. From this position there is only a couple of ways to hit the 8 ball and both are extremely difficult.

I actually used to practice this situation until I got pretty proficient at it.
 
With ball in hand I would double kiss the 15, popping it off the rail and leaving him above the 8 ball with no shot.
 
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