Only if Shane joins the BCA
Lol I had to make light in this thread. I would like to see Shane or Jesse sh*t in a ball APA style and do a fist pump and yell "Come Onnnn."
APA vs BCA team champions
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Lol I had to make light in this thread. I would like to see Shane or Jesse sh*t in a ball APA style and do a fist pump and yell "Come Onnnn."
I am no fan of the APA but there are definatly high level players in the APA that can play the game. I think the BCAPL has better players as far as numbers go as the APA is overall geared to lower skilled players. It would have to be a no HC event if it happened. And some of the good players also play both APA & BCAPL.
Here is a few names I have seen compete in the APA if put together I think would be a force to be reconed with for any league.
Jason Kirkwood
Brandon Ashcraft
Kenny Brisbon
Brian Parks
Robert Hall
Gary Abood
Here is a few names I have seen compete in the APA if put together I think would be a force to be reconed with for any league.
Jason Kirkwood
Brandon Ashcraft
Kenny Brisbon
Brian Parks
Robert Hall
Gary Abood
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LMAO!!! that second line is really funny! Well said, Flash!
At nationals this year the bottom 16 bracket for 8ball had jeff sergeant/steve knoll/robert hall/kenny brisbon/ernesto bayaua/gabe apollos/etc. Thats a rough road to haul playing races to 5 on the barbox.
It wasnt much better in the 9ball bracket, just add in a few more names like Dustin Morris, Brian Parks, will haaggensen etc. murderers row for amateur level play. I saw alot of packages being laid down this weekend. BCA has tremendous players as well, im not knocking that league. I just wish they had BCA here in miami
It wasnt much better in the 9ball bracket, just add in a few more names like Dustin Morris, Brian Parks, will haaggensen etc. murderers row for amateur level play. I saw alot of packages being laid down this weekend. BCA has tremendous players as well, im not knocking that league. I just wish they had BCA here in miami
We have a local guy who plays BCA as a master and APA as a SL7.
As stated before, this question doesn't make sense. It seems to be asking if a team full of top amateurs can beat a team that is restricted such that it can't be entire composed of top amateurs.
Both leagues seem to have a similar definition of "amateur", and in neither case does it have anything to do with skill level, only whether someone plays pool as a profession. Both leagues include players that have make some noise in major open events such as the DCC and US Open, so the talent level in each league is based on the offering and participation in the areas where the best amateurs play.
I can agree that the BCAPL seems to have a higher average talent level, because the APA business plan is focused on growing the league and getting more non-poolplayers playing pool, and they seem to do a better job of marketing to that demographic.
In my experience, the majority of the top amateur players in the country don't play in any league, but there are amateurs playing in both leagues that are just as strong as any of them.
Both leagues seem to have a similar definition of "amateur", and in neither case does it have anything to do with skill level, only whether someone plays pool as a profession. Both leagues include players that have make some noise in major open events such as the DCC and US Open, so the talent level in each league is based on the offering and participation in the areas where the best amateurs play.
I can agree that the BCAPL seems to have a higher average talent level, because the APA business plan is focused on growing the league and getting more non-poolplayers playing pool, and they seem to do a better job of marketing to that demographic.
In my experience, the majority of the top amateur players in the country don't play in any league, but there are amateurs playing in both leagues that are just as strong as any of them.
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At least a few of the Lincoln City GM Challenge participants have been APA members. That means matching up with Atwell, Louie, Mataya, Geiler, etc, not to mention the women's side(AZB's own Rackemsucker and more). Still got a mental scar from my one and only skunk - at the hands of one of those woman GMs my first year of league.
Interesting statement.
I would add that the team who placed second in BCA Open last year had players who had won at a national level in APA...or so I was told by a Ref last year. My team finished third to them. This was hearsay and I do not have any idea if it was true or not as I didn't really care. We had our chance to win. That's all ya can ask for...
^^ This. The APA masters team that immediately comes to mind is the group who played as the Three Amigos from Southern California. Anyone who says a BCA team could smash them has lost their mind.
No ratings..handicaps
Ok, first off, there is a Masters division in APA. It has no handicap, so basically it's the same as BCA.
The BCA Masters Champion team for 2011 were from Oklahoma.
Chip Compton Jr.
Joey Gray
Steve Hixon
David Weaver
The APA Masters Champions for 2011 were from Virginia.
Larry Kressel
Andre Shank
Chris Bruner
David Hunt
I would lean toward the team from BCA winning of these 2 teams. Just my opinion.
I have been to both events over the years and I see some of the same faces. So....a lot of good players are in both leagues.
Ok, first off, there is a Masters division in APA. It has no handicap, so basically it's the same as BCA.
The BCA Masters Champion team for 2011 were from Oklahoma.
Chip Compton Jr.
Joey Gray
Steve Hixon
David Weaver
The APA Masters Champions for 2011 were from Virginia.
Larry Kressel
Andre Shank
Chris Bruner
David Hunt
I would lean toward the team from BCA winning of these 2 teams. Just my opinion.
I have been to both events over the years and I see some of the same faces. So....a lot of good players are in both leagues.
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wow, this thread was ressurected huh ?
why are you mentioning handicapped vs non- handicapped.? i think it would be interesting to see a 23 handicapped apa team vs a 25 handicapped bcapl team.
you could take away the slop in apa and the open break in bcapl. play 2 sets using both formats. 1 set using the bcapl round robin points format. the team with the most points after all matches wins. then use the apa format where you match up in a race to your handicap. the team who wins 3 out of 5 wins.
i think the question is irrelevant anyway. not all bcapl players are world beaters and not all apa players are bangers. you have a wide range of players at all levels in both leagues. watching the live stream of the ohio state bcapl championships proved my point.
i saw everything that you claim just apa bangers do happen at the bcapl state championship level.
i am talking about...
1. drilling the chalk cube.
2. laying the chalk upside down.
3. slop shots, yea i know he lost his turn.
4.sharking
5.countless rattled pockets leaving the ball hanging, in all fairness maybe they dont play on diamonds much.
6. countless cut shots missing the pocket by a full diamond, an apa 2 could routinely make shots that i saw missed by these supposedly serious pool player bcapl members.
bottom line is that there are players at all levels and all walks in life in both leagues. one aint no better than the other. just play in the league whose rules you prefer.
btw an apa 7 could realistacly be a bcapl 10. i know that for a fact. just because apa stops their handicap at 7 dont mean a players skill level stops there.
just for curiosity i looked up some apa 7's handicap that also play napa here. i found handicaps ranging from 78 to 114. as far as some of these 7's in my town go, if you dont win the lag, you aint winning the match.
In my neck of the woods we have lots of players who play both APA and BCA sanctioned leagues. As long as you keep a low profile, I've seen players ranked Open play as a 7 in the APA.
Are you suggesting something like 8-ball version of Baseball's World Series. Play a series of matches alternating between APA and BCA rules.
Are you suggesting something like 8-ball version of Baseball's World Series. Play a series of matches alternating between APA and BCA rules.
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I'm a 7/9 and play as a 'B' in BCA. I just don't have the consistency on the big tables and tend not to do all that well in the regional. I've also known people that were rated A, but weren't max'd out in APA(I think Masters get a bump to 7/9 around here). I remember running over one guy in APA and thinking, possibly for the first time, "How is this guy a 7/9?" I was told later that he must've been playing like crap and that he's done well in the regional Open/A tournament for BCA. Meanwhile, I've gone 2-n-out in the B, but proceeded to play well above my head with much stronger players afterwards. ..It happens.
Maybe it's the mental difference, maybe it's the tables or maybe it's the tournament setting - who knows?
If you took 5 of the best 7s in APA in the country they would have a chance to beat the best BCA team. Otherwise, it would be no contest.
Your a joke. Typical apa player and yes I play apa. Unless you play with a handy Capp your team would get destroyed. Your 2's would be guaranteed wins for my team ..ungless of course there sand bagging and not true 2s (sandbagging in the apa...naaaa it can't be) that would put you in an 8 game hole that you won't be able to climb out of against my squad with a couple of sixs. If you would open your eyes you would see its not really a fair comparison. Your team has to have some low level players to make its handicapp. I'll have all 7's ready to shove the 8 up your a$$ lol
Absolutely. If you can put together an all star team of your local apa and suspend handicapps for the match I'm sure it would be a tight match. But if the apa team is still forced to stay under its number then it just wouldn't be fair!
I think this would depend a lot on format and rules. I think amateur players are basically the same skill wise regardless of the league. From what I have observed though, the BCA may draw the better shooter and it's more about running out and winning while the APA is a little more of an instructional league and a night out with friends who could just as easily be bowling or playing darts or softball. But I bet if you were to pick a sort of all-star team there would players in common on both lists, In the end, I think if it was a money match you'd have to give the edge to the BCA Players, if it was a match with the APA rules and handicap system, the APA players might have a chance
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I thought if you placed that high, you would have to play on a Masters team?
I took 2nd in Open Scotch last year and next to my name it says "must play Masters Scotch".
Maybe it only lasts for a few years and you get to go back down to Open?