Aramith Crown Standard?

[CueAndMe]

I'm going to have new Simonis 860 HR cloth put on my table, and I don't want to get a set of balls that reduces the life of the cloth. I want to go with one of the Aramith (or Centennial) options, but for some reason the Crown Standard isn't listed on the Saluc website. It is supposedly phenolic resin, and I saw on another thread that someone had measured the tolerances of the Crown Standard set, and it was very tight. But it looks to be the bottom of the Aramith line. I actually like the look of the set better than the Premium, Pro or Premier sets.

I was considering buying a more expensive set of balls, but I don't want the non-serious players (family and friends) who will be occasionally playing on the table to use an expensive set, so I was considering two sets. One for me and a cheap set for them. But if the Crown Standard is a decent set of balls, I'd use them too and avoid the expensive set altogether.

So when it comes to burn marks and playability, are there any issues with the Crown Standard?

 

[garczar]

Seriously, you're concerned about ball-bangers hurting a set of balls? Get the best you can afford and don't worry about that other stuff. Last time i checked pool balls are fairly tough to damage.

 

[K2Kraze]

Hello, bluepepper ---

I've chimed in numerous times in threads sharing my opinion on the Aramith Crown Standards -- and I can attest without hesitation they are one of the best values there are available. For the most part, they leave no more marks on cloth than any other set and clean up extremely well. I've noticed that using either a new Cyclop red dot cue ball or an Aramith Tournament replacement cue ball ensures minimum scuff marks and skids as well - personal observation.

You can't go wrong with these Crown Standards.

K.


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[CueAndMe]

Seriously, you're concerned about ball-bangers hurting a set of balls? Get the best you can afford and don't worry about that other stuff. Last time i checked pool balls are fairly tough to damage.

I just foresee kids launching balls off the table and possibly chipping a nice set of balls.

 

[CueAndMe]

Thanks, k2craze. Yes, you're the one I saw who had special testing equipment mentioning that they were consistent from ball to ball. So as long as they play well, I think I'll start off on my new table with the crown standards. If they get damaged I'll think about another set later on. And thanks for the cue ball advice
. I'll consider that as well.

 

[CueAndMe]

Would the Pro Cup measle ball match the crown standard set specs?

 

[K2Kraze]

Both of my Aramith 6 Red Dot (measles) cue balls weigh 167.4 grams each according to my ball spec sheet on my phone . I "think" the Crown Standards weigh in at 166g to 167g - but I'll be able to verify both of these later tonight ---- and yes, you'll want the cue ball you use to match the object ball weights exactly (within specs anyway).

K.


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[K2Kraze]

OK. My LB-1000 digital scale has been calibrated and zeroes to 0.000 grams.

The Crown Standard object balls average right at 166.0g (grams)

The perfectly matched cue ball for this set is the Aramith Crown Standard cue ball that comes with the set and weighs in at 166.0g exactly.

The Aramith 6 Red Dot (measles) cue balls I have all tip the scale at 167.5g

The Aramith Red Circle cue ball comes up at 167.2g

The new Cyclop single Red Dot cue balls I have check in at 167.5g and 167.7g

There you go.

Hope that helps answer any questions, and any more you may have just fire away...

Your actual results may vary of course

K.


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[Cuebuddy]

Although I don't own a set I will soon. If I remember correctly RKC told me years ago that Crown standard balls are a very good choice for budget minded players. He said they out play and last many pricier sets.

 

[maha]

if they are going to be ruining your balls think what they do to your new cloth. that will be ruined long before the balls, so your option is to control them and get the balls you really want.

 

[CueAndMe]

OK. My LB-1000 digital scale has been calibrated and zeroes to 0.000 grams.

The Crown Standard object balls average right at 166.0g (grams)

The perfectly matched cue ball for this set is the Aramith Crown Standard cue ball that comes with the set and weighs in at 166.0g exactly.

The Aramith 6 Red Dot (measles) cue balls I have all tip the scale at 167.5g

The Aramith Red Circle cue ball comes up at 167.2g

The new Cyclop single Red Dot cue balls I have check in at 167.5g and 167.7g

There you go.

Hope that helps answer any questions, and any more you may have just fire away...

Your actual results may vary of course

K.


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Thank you! This is very interesting. So am I understanding correctly that the Crown Standards are lighter balls than the other Aramith sets, and replacement cueballs of better quality will be too heavy to properly match?
If so, is this a good reason to avoid the Crown Standard set if I plan to upgrade the cueball, or is this difference in weight not enough to be significant?

 

[K2Kraze]

Thank you! This is very interesting. So am I understanding correctly that the Crown Standards are lighter balls than the other Aramith sets, and replacement cueballs of better quality will be too heavy to properly match?

If so, is this a good reason to avoid the Crown Standard set if I plan to upgrade the cueball, or is this difference in weight not enough to be significant?

Ideally, in a perfect poolroom, one would want the cue ball and every object ball to weigh exactly the same.

With that being said, the tolerances of the Crown Standards are well within any rule book or league standard ---- and if the cue ball is within 1% of the object balls, it will be so close to being negligible that you'll (most likely) never see or realize any difference of 1.2 grams.

I've done rolling cue ball experiments on my own table with a stimpmeter doing collision tests and measuring the distances object balls roll with a range of cue ball weights.....and the results are very similar even with weights of balls varying as much as 3 grams - with both straight line and angled shots.

It's funny sometimes how curiosity, questions and a spare hour can entertain


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[K2Kraze]

Duplicate post. Disregard.

 

[CueAndMe]

Ideally, in a perfect poolroom, one would want the cue ball and every object ball to weigh exactly the same.

With that being said, the tolerances of the Crown Standards are well within any rule book or league standard ---- and if the cue ball is within 1% of the object balls, it will be so close to being negligible that you'll (most likely) never see or realize any difference of 1.2 grams.

I've done rolling cue ball experiments on my own table with a stimpmeter doing collision tests and measuring the distances object balls roll with a range of cue ball weights.....and the results are very similar even with weights of balls varying as much as 3 grams - with both straight line and angled shots.

It's funny sometimes how curiosity, questions and a spare hour can entertain


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Great info. Thanks for being so obsessive!

 

[SARDiver]

I've had the lower end Aramiths, the Super Pro set, and now the Tournaments. The ball "burn" marks have been lessened with the Tournaments, but the cloth went from Championship 760 to Simonis 860HR when I made the switch from Pros to Tourneys. I like the look and feel of the Tournaments much better. My 11, 8, and 5 year olds all play with the expensive balls, have dropped them on tile, and the balls haven't picked up a scratch.

 

[CueAndMe]

I've had the lower end Aramiths, the Super Pro set, and now the Tournaments. The ball "burn" marks have been lessened with the Tournaments, but the cloth went from Championship 760 to Simonis 860HR when I made the switch from Pros to Tourneys. I like the look and feel of the Tournaments much better. My 11, 8, and 5 year olds all play with the expensive balls, have dropped them on tile, and the balls haven't picked up a scratch.

That's really great to know. The tourneys are the ones I was probably going to end up with if I went for an expensive set. If they're that durable maybe I'll just bite the bullet and go with them for everyone. K2Kraze, have you measured the aramith tournament set?

 

[Texas Carom Club]

Hello, bluepepper ---

I've chimed in numerous times in threads sharing my opinion on the Aramith Crown Standards -- and I can attest without hesitation they are one of the best values there are available. For the most part, they leave no more marks on cloth than any other set and clean up extremely well. I've noticed that using either a new Cyclop red dot cue ball or an Aramith Tournament replacement cue ball ensures minimum scuff marks and skids as well - personal observation.

You can't go wrong with these Crown Standards.

K.


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i just got rid of my super pro set, sold it and bought this crown set new for 70 shipped on ebay!
love the classic look,

sold all my carom measle sets as well, and going totally old school, got my red yellow and white set, and 2 old style super aramith carom sets, red ball, white ball, red dot white ball,
other is the same, but the red is much more dark and the dot is black

the tournament and de lux sets are available everywhere, the traditional is only available in europe,black dot

 

[K2Kraze]

That's really great to know. The tourneys are the ones I was probably going to end up with if I went for an expensive set. If they're that durable maybe I'll just bite the bullet and go with them for everyone. K2Kraze, have you measured the aramith tournament set?

But of course

What would you like to know - weights?

K.


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[CueAndMe]

Sure. Weights, consistency from ball to ball, is the cue ball good? I had read a review that the cue ball is a little off and should be replaced with a measle ball. Any other thoughts about the set? Is the Tournament Pro Cup Value Pack the better set?

 

[Island Drive]

I'm going to have new Simonis 860 HR cloth put on my table, and I don't want to get a set of balls that reduces the life of the cloth. I want to go with one of the Aramith (or Centennial) options, but for some reason the Crown Standard isn't listed on the Saluc website. It is supposedly phenolic resin, and I saw on another thread that someone had measured the tolerances of the Crown Standard set, and it was very tight. But it looks to be the bottom of the Aramith line. I actually like the look of the set better than the Premium, Pro or Premier sets.

I was considering buying a more expensive set of balls, but I don't want the non-serious players (family and friends) who will be occasionally playing on the table to use an expensive set, so I was considering two sets. One for me and a cheap set for them. But if the Crown Standard is a decent set of balls, I'd use them too and avoid the expensive set altogether.

So when it comes to burn marks and playability, are there any issues with the Crown Standard?

Years ago I worked at a Wholesale billiard supply store in Denver, only soliciting and providing products to poolrooms and retail outlets. What I learned was this set off balls had tolerances that were greater than the centennials, but the quality of the phenolic ball was good. It's thee most common ball used in all bar tables of the past and in general work fine in all levels of play, and they hold up as good as ANY. If I was concerned about the variances of tolerances being 3-4 thousandth's more than the other ball sets.... then I would spend the money. My guess, it's like comparing apples to apples unless your in a WPA event, then I'd get the centennials or the best Aramith ball sets.