Archer and Oscar talk it out live today at 3:00 CST

Did you just say poolplayer and job in the same sentence?? Good luck with that. ;)
In the interview, JA was also blaming the failure of his new pool room on someone else. This poolroom in Cartersville, GA was a second chance for JA to get out of his financial hole and he blew it, I’m sure at a great expense to his financial backers - likely a whole lot more than the $6500 he still owes Oscar.
 
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Johnny walked out because his “I did it for my family” and “I would do it again for my kids” narrative was being challenged. He had options. He could have paid up the money that wasn’t his. He didn’t have to steal. He could have asked for help “for his kids”. He could have begged “for his kids”. He could have worked up stability in his life and established a residence long earlier “for his kids”. Resorting to stealing wasn’t “for his kids” it was for himself because it was the easiest path.

It was the narcissist tactic of holding on to that last iota of “I did the right thing” even when admitting he did wrong. He couldn’t face losing that last justification and own the shame fully. It’s sad because owning that shame is where the healing and growth comes from.
 
Johnny walked out because his “I did it for my family” and “I would do it again for my kids” narrative was being challenged. He had options. He could have paid up the money that wasn’t his. He didn’t have to steal. He could have asked for help “for his kids”. He could have begged “for his kids”. He could have worked up stability in his life and established a residence long earlier “for his kids”. Resorting to stealing wasn’t “for his kids” it was for himself because it was the easiest path.

It was the narcissist tactic of holding on to that last iota of “I did the right thing” even when admitting he did wrong. He couldn’t face losing that last justification and own the shame fully. It’s sad because owning that shame is where the healing and growth comes from.
If he got paid by the word he could have paid Oscar double just from his time on the TS stream. Does that guy ever shut up???
 
I will never forget the first time I was sitting on the rail in Bananas pool room in San Antoni. One of the regulars, Duffy, came up and introduced himself. We talked. He made a point about pool platers. They have a cue, pinky ring and drive a used car and at any point in time one or all three can be found at a pawnshop. In other words they live hand to mouth. Day to day. Archers an example. One of many.
 
I watched it on YouTube and read all the comments thus far. I don't really know what else to say that hasn't already been said. Sad thing for Archer if he can't even raise $6500 to put this thing to bed! I will say the one negative on Oscar's part was when he said "He put his family over mine" which was a stupid thing to say. Of course you are going to put your family over someone else's he would do the same damn thing! I'm willing to believe that Archer was sincere when he said he intends to pay Oscar back at least I hope so. For Archer to compete against today's crop of players he's got a big hill to climb, it ain't easy when you're in your 50's and above just ask Earl!

from my understanding earl is doing better now than in a long while, playing the exhibition scene and having a girlfriend keeping him straight. ok, johnny doesn't have the same draw (pun intended) to do that as successfully but iirc him and darren did exhibitions for a while. there are always ways to make money if you really put your back into it.

i still think this debt thing should be handled privately. there's no dispute, it's not like when viffer stiffed frost/incardona for 50k and lied about it
 
from my understanding earl is doing better now than in a long while, playing the exhibition scene and having a girlfriend keeping him straight. ok, johnny doesn't have the same draw (pun intended) to do that as successfully but iirc him and darren did exhibitions for a while. there are always ways to make money if you really put your back into it.

i still think this debt thing should be handled privately. there's no dispute, it's not like when viffer stiffed frost/incardona for 50k and lied about it
How do people get into these situations? Getting into these matches, agreeing to play when they haven't actually seen any physical $$$? Asking out of curiosity.
Don't care how you show it to me, dirty 5s or crisp big bills, but I want to see the money first... :ROFLMAO:
 
Speaking of poker, Josh Ariah was one of the guys burnt by Johnny on this. He only had a small stake but he was pissed. JA was the most pissed at Ariah, who was one of the first to go public shaming him.

Ariah has won $12.3M playing poker: https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=5703
That's a new one. Someone has made scores in their life, so they should shut up when they get stiffed.

I don't know Mr. Ariah, but I've made a living on the edge of his world for a long time. It doesn't matter if the winner needs the $ (which is nobody's business), it's about the reputation. Stiffs lose theirs. Public service.
 
How do people get into these situations? Getting into these matches, agreeing to play when they haven't actually seen any physical $$$? Asking out of curiosity.
Don't care how you show it to me, dirty 5s or crisp big bills, but I want to see the money first... :ROFLMAO:

no clue, it's money on the light for me if not just for table time.

if you specifically refer to frost, dippy paid the first two sets, 100k, so they had no reason to think he would stiff them for the last set. then he came on here defending his actions. also posting that kind of money has it's own obvious problems depending on the crime rate in your area. one of the best backgammon gamblers in the world played for big money in my hometown some 15 years ago and they got heisted despite having muscle there
 
no clue, it's money on the light for me if not just for table time.

if you specifically refer to frost, dippy paid the first two sets, 100k, so they had no reason to think he would stiff them for the last set. then he came on here defending his actions. also posting that kind of money has it's own obvious problems depending on the crime rate in your area. one of the best backgammon gamblers in the world played for big money in my hometown some 15 years ago and they got heisted despite having muscle there
Thanks for chiming in. I play every game for table time. It's just how it works here. But that isn't even in the same universe as a cash game.

I've only played two money games in my life, both were cash up front - but 100k a set is a bit different from the kind of money we are talking there (both occasions it was a big enough amount for me to feel odd with it in my pocket)

No danger of such a heist happening here (unless po-po count? lol)

I can see the obvious pitfalls of 50k on the light :ROFLMAO: I also now understand why they would say yes, if he'd already turned out 100k in their favor. Would love to read the thread if you find it!
 
from my understanding earl is doing better now than in a long while, playing the exhibition scene and having a girlfriend keeping him straight. ok, johnny doesn't have the same draw (pun intended) to do that as successfully but iirc him and darren did exhibitions for a while. there are always ways to make money if you really put your back into it.

i still think this debt thing should be handled privately. there's no dispute, it's not like when viffer stiffed frost/incardona for 50k and lied about it
Viffer stiffed a few other well known players too(well 1 is well known and the other is known to bank players)
 
Well, there's no doubt that Johnny Archer is on his belly right now, and him agreeing to do a public podcast, much like the current president of the WPA, Ishaun Singh, takes guts. Is Johnny Archer in the wrong about owing Oscar money? Absolutely.

Wind back the clock a few decades when the so-called "Scorpion" was on top of the world, a BCA Hall of Famer, Player of the Decade, and all the accolades that the pool world has to offer. They that soar too high often fall the hardest, and this is what's happened to Johnny Archer. The deterioration of his first pool room in Marietta was a compound fracture and the beginning of his fall from grace, but he was not alone in this fall. There is no doubt that he loves his family. Spending money on high-end cars, a house on a golf course, and purchasing a brand-new deck as soon as Johnny won a pool tournament is where some of that money was spent. Happy wife, happy life? Yep, until the money runs out. It is a shame that those close to him spent that money as fast as he could make it and didn't think about the future of their children and, well, Johnny as a senior citizen.

As someone who is very familiar with substance abuse, whether it's drugs or alcohol, it's not an easy life for the loved ones watching an addict. I've been lambasted as the stop sign for why my other half is not attending some well-known pool events in the past, and it's because of the occupational hazards, for lack of a better word. Addicts have no self-control when it comes to pills, cocaine, alcohol, et cetera, and sadly, the substances are abundant at these pool events, hidden from the public, but they're everywhere.

Johnny's fall from grace hit an all-time high when he did not pay Oscar what Oscar was owed, stiffed him in a game of stakes, and social media has demoralized him over and over and over again. And it's still ongoing. I consider it cyberbullying and am not a fan of it, no matter what Johnny did. Where are all those pool fans and "best friend(s)" of Johnny's when he was on top of the world, bragging about how he was their best buddy and sharing tidbits of Johnny's personal life and their friendship on this very forum? [Crickets.]

The $6,500 that Johnny owes Oscar is not chump change, and when you're broke, it's not easy to muster up that kind of cash when you're alone, have no family support—or pool fan support, for that matter. But it is quite obvious to me at least that The Scorpion is not a quitter. He is making a stand and going public with his desire to let his pool cue do the talking and pay his debts. I am not going to kick a man when he's down on his luck, and I will root for a comeback. Like Earl, he won't be on the top of his game and shoot pool at the same level as in his prime, but I think Johnny still has a little lightning left in the jug.

A champion may fall, but they get up because the ground is no place for a champion.

I never realized how short Keith is compared to Johnny and Buddy, and Keith is 5'10". Photo taken at the Glass City Open in Toledo, OH, in 2005 or '6, subject to check.


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His pool cue doin the talking is what got him into this mess. Just sayin
 
I can see the obvious pitfalls of 50k on the light :ROFLMAO: I also now understand why they would say yes, if he'd already turned out 100k in their favor. Would love to read the thread if you find it!

ask JAM. she re-posted a link to it some month ago. viffer is also called dippy dave

there were some threats and bad feelings in that situation but the next year they matched up again for 10x the money. there are a couple of these big time poker players that donate to the (mainly) one pocket pros on a somewhat regular basis, it's often not very interesting to watch because of the huge skill difference
 
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I guess he should just roll over and die, then. Really?

Pool is his life, and whether it's giving lessons, competing in tournaments, or doing exhibitions, he's going to let his cue do the talking. This is what he knows best, and as such, he's going to utilize this skill set to get out of the situation he's currently facing, to include paying Oscar back.

That's my story, and I'm sticking with it. Good grief, man.

He didn't apologize, he showed sociopathic tendencies and invoked several excuses. Notice he declared "this is the only time I will talk about it" like he's in the right, and then compounded it by not actually talking about anything, just went in a circle with excuses and played the victim role because he was mocked for taking his backer's money and running.

He's not on his belly at all, he attempted to pave the way to get back into matches without getting barred as "bad action". He will be relentlessly mocked for all time because he couldn't shoot over $50 a week or something

The real takeaway here should be that Oscar is incredibly classy, and Johnny can't even carry his cue case. If everyone on Earth had Oscar's grace, the world would be a better place.
 
Oscar is total class. Nobody will argue that point.

One thing I will say in Archer's defense -- he has sent money Oscar's way. That puts him in a different class than 99 percent of all the other stiff artists you can run into in our "time honored tradition of pocket billiards." I've seen guys avoid me over 20 bucks.

I think it's time to leave this alone and hope that Johnny can get this across the finish line and get things going in a positive direction. Continually kicking a man when they are down can lead to some very bad outcomes, and I wouldn't want my words mixed up in one of them. Would you?

What has Johnny Archer done to me really? Only provide me with almost a lifetime of enjoyment while watching him play a silly ball and stick game.

Perspective is important here.
 
He didn't apologize, he showed sociopathic tendencies and invoked several excuses. Notice he declared "this is the only time I will talk about it" like he's in the right, and then compounded it by not actually talking about anything, just went in a circle with excuses and played the victim role because he was mocked for taking his backer's money and running.

He's not on his belly at all, he attempted to pave the way to get back into matches without getting barred as "bad action". He will be relentlessly mocked for all time because he couldn't shoot over $50 a week or something

The real takeaway here should be that Oscar is incredibly classy, and Johnny can't even carry his cue case. If everyone on Earth had Oscar's grace, the world would be a better place.
Good grief my ass. I agree with you 100% here. Archer's days of making $ with his cue or what's left of his reputation are dwindling fast. Someone will always play the victim-card. He needs to go get a fkng job. A friend of mine put his cue down and is line-cook at a nice place. Said he knocks down almost a grand a week. Archer basically has zero game left and a fast-fading reputation. His latest attempt at a business venture cratered(of course he blames others) with nothing on the horizon. Oscar is one classy cat for handling this the way he has.
 
Oscar is total class. Nobody will argue that point.

One thing I will say in Archer's defense -- he has sent money Oscar's way. That puts him in a different class than 99 percent of all the other stiff artists you can run into in our "time honored tradition of pocket billiards." I've seen guys avoid me over 20 bucks.

I think it's time to leave this alone and hope that Johnny can get this across the finish line and get things going in a positive direction. Continually kicking a man when they are down can lead to some very bad outcomes, and I wouldn't want my words mixed up in one of them. Would you?

What has Johnny Archer done to me really? Only provide me with almost a lifetime of enjoyment while watching him play a silly ball and stick game.

Perspective is important here.

If he was down, he would have at least apologized. Instead, he made excuses and is hoping this is enough of a stall to win a couple of tournaments without getting barred everywhere.

He pocketed his backers' money and gave Oscar a small piece of it. So he heisted several people at once.

Perspective really is important, and the perspective of the sociopath should be scorned as selfish behavior.
 
Oscar is total class. Nobody will argue that point.

One thing I will say in Archer's defense -- he has sent money Oscar's way. That puts him in a different class than 99 percent of all the other stiff artists you can run into in our "time honored tradition of pocket billiards." I've seen guys avoid me over 20 bucks.

I think it's time to leave this alone and hope that Johnny can get this across the finish line and get things going in a positive direction. Continually kicking a man when they are down can lead to some very bad outcomes, and I wouldn't want my words mixed up in one of them. Would you?

What has Johnny Archer done to me really? Only provide me with almost a lifetime of enjoyment while watching him play a silly ball and stick game.

Perspective is important here.
WTH??? The guy had to have his name drug thru the lunacy of social media to get him to return a quarter. All he's done is duck Oscar for THREE years. Well, i guess he has been busy if you include opening/shuttering a business in the same time frame. He was a great player but that was like eons ago now. His recent actions, business-wise& pool-wise, have gone a long way to erasing him from the pool scene altogether. Sad? I guess in a way but all is totally self-inflicted.
 
WTH??? The guy had to have his name drug thru the lunacy of social media to get him to return a quarter. All he's done is duck Oscar for THREE years. Well, i guess he has been busy if you include opening/shuttering a business in the same time frame. He was a great player but that was like eons ago now. His recent actions, business-wise& pool-wise, have gone a long way to erasing him from the pool scene altogether. Sad? I guess in a way but all is totally self-inflicted.

Less than a quarter, he owed over 8000 and sent back 1600
 
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