Archer vs. Morris

poolpimp13 said:
rodney checked the rack before he broke anyway he won that game anyway.he scratched on the break the next game any johnny ran out and won.
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Wasn't about if he won the game or not, the guy asked what the racking controversy was about, and that's what it was about.

Archer gave him a slug.

Plus there's more then one way to give a slug.
Maybe Rodney doesn't know all of them and/or didn't look in the right spot.

But that doesn't stop the fact that the rack was garbage.
 
Good Seat.......

I was at the tournament sitting right behind Johnny during the finals. As soon as Rodney hit the balls all you heard was "WOW" that was Dennis Hatch's thoughts about the rack. Immediately after that Johnny was mumbling to himself " that was a good rack, I know it was a good rack" almost like he was trying to convince himself that it was. IMO he did not leave a slug on purpose. Also Rodney did not check the rack before he broke I followed all his matches the last two days and he hardly ever checked the rack. He was confident in his break no matter how the balls were he told me at Lunch on Sunday. But rodney did make the out in that rack after he got back to the table, it was a sick out with a couple of shots he had to hit perfect to squeeze by others into the pockets. Also he did not check the rack before the last break.

Dave
 
There was controversy behind the scenes at the event as well, but regardless of all that, Archer played fantastic.

As Dave implied, slug or no slug, Rodney still won that rack and still scratched on the final break. The result would have been the same.

Both players played great. Let's just leave it at that.
 
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SUPERSTAR said:
Johnny hit him with a slug when Rodney was gaining momentum towards the end.
Not just a slug, but like a MONSTER slug.
It was gross. lol
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Superstar you said i saw it also .. Please some post up the link of the match and see it for yourself...
I saw it and called it...
 
Well....

Whether it was an intentional slug or whether Archer truly tried to give Rodney the tightest rack he could, the rack spoke for itself as Rodney didn't break them bad.

Plus, not to rip on Archer as we can't possibly know his actual thoughts when it happened, but when do people that deliberately cheat, actually out themselves after doing so, and confess to it?
And, i remember a couple of players that no longer play that were SO accustomed to giving flat racks in critical situations, that there were situations where i know they just did it out of habit, without even realizing it.
This is especially true of one guy i knew who was a master of the"wing ball spin"
Any hard core pool player will immediately know of the slug i am talking about, and how easy it is to make it LOOK like your giving a good rack, while manipulating the balls, all in literally, a split second.

Personally, when i have been in tournaments and threw up a turkey, IMMEDIATELY afterward, if the guy didn't pocket a ball, or didn't have a shot after making a ball or even if he made a ball and had a shot, i asked if he wanted a rerack. Most of the time, the only one who didn't, was the guy who made a ball and had a shot, but at least i offered.

Sometimes, if it was bad enough, i wouldn't even ask, and i would just rake up all the balls, and let them break again, even if i had a straight in shot after them not pocketing anything.
In a LOT of situations, i would have them break and run out on me, and on a couple of occasions when the match was hill hill when it happened, i would have them break and run out on me for the win.

So personally, i don't care if it was intentional or not.
I know what i would do if it i put up a slug like that in competition.
There is just no excuse for it.

But on the flip side, watching Rodney make a come back and watching the momentum gain in his favor, i have to say that the slug actually ADDED to the drama and made it more exciting, and i know I personally thought that after Rodney managed to win that rack, that the only way he would lose was if he failed to make a ball and have a shot, or if he were to scratch, and as it turns out, he swished the cue ball in the hole the next break.

That is not to say that i think people should go and toss up slugs all over the place, but rather it reflects on my personal view, that a match with a lot of suffering and drama, is way more exciting to watch then a match where it's just a non stop display of players running out all over the place.

Sure, great displays of pool are nice to watch as they are inspiring, like watching Davenport's flashback to truly being a hungry fierce competitor, but if i had to choose, i'd like to see great displays of pool, mixed in with some situations where there was a high suffer content, especially at the finish line where it's so much more dramatic.

But that's just me
 
Realizm said:
Superstar you said i saw it also .. Please some post up the link of the match and see it for yourself...
I saw it and called it...
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I am not understanding what you are saying.

So i saw it live on the stream. I have no idea if it was recorded or not, and as such, don't know of any link or for that matter, what you are requesting.
 
The finals

If I remember correctly Rodney didn't check the rack after all the drama. I would think Rodney had been around long enough to check it, if he thought Johnny did it on purpose.
Just sayin'.
 
Rodney did not check hardly any racks all weekend. He never asked for a re-rack in fact he found it funny that Charlie Williams asked him for a re-rack 5 times in their match, Also Charlie took like 2 minutes minimum to rack for Rodney making sure everything was just right.....rodney still hung the 9 ball in the bottom left corner 3 straight breaks in a row. He told us at lunch that he had the break figured out for that table 2 racks in.
 
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