Are talented filipinos "Under-Acheving" ??
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Because they have been number one for a long time. Everybody guns for number one. It's a badge of honor.
The one exception is Shane gambling in a long race. Maybe gambling period.
According to Wpa ranking , the no.1 spot has been alternated among em taiwanese , from Chang jung lin to Chang yu lung to big ko to kevin cheng then back to chang jung lin recently
IMHO, the Pinoys excel and are EXTREMELY ahead of the curve in the portion of the game that truly matters------- the action side! It is totally, crazy, off the hook, rampant over there. Also imo, other than a be the top 10 American players , no one else has room like it going over there and getting there, even 12-13 year old boyz! Some in the tip 10 might not like it on any given day ☺
Nobody's tryin to discredit anyone.
Looking for answers n healthy discussions, my questions were pretty straight forward and specific .
According to this logic: why hasn't Phil Ivey won the Main Event multiple times now if he is that good?
When it comes to tournaments with double elimination races to 10 or 11 there is a bit of luck involved. Any tournament has luck involved. Granted pool tournaments do not have the same degree of luck as a poker tournament, but it is there. You would be foolish to think that the best player in a pool tournament field wins it every time. Luck plays a factor. In any major tournament that is bringing in top players all over the globe you are pretty much flipping a coin in the last 16 in each match.
When it comes to tournaments with double elimination races to 10 or 11 there is a bit of luck involved. Any tournament has luck involved. Granted pool tournaments do not have the same degree of luck as a poker tournament, but it is there. You would be foolish to think that the best player in a pool tournament field wins it every time. Luck plays a factor. In any major tournament that is bringing in top players all over the globe you are pretty much flipping a coin in the last 16 in each match.
Luck obviously plays a factor in pool.
Now think about it , did Big Ko sweep both the 9 n 10 ball by luck ?
Did Wu won consecutive 9 n 8 ball wpa titles by luck ?
Did Shane won 5 Us open by luck ?
Did yang chin hsun masaccred dennis in the heart of philipines by luck too ?
Did thorsten won 2 wpa 9ball by luck too ?
Are the filipinos that unlucky ?
Throuhout the taiwanese dominance on the wpa title and Shane make the us open look like his local pool room competition , where were the filipinos ?
Are the filipinos that unlucky that they are always unable to win the most pretigious wpa title ?
Way to much to read here ,, fact is not all players in Taiwan or China choose pool to begin with many of the crem dela cream players are going to snooker or 3 rail where prize money dwarfs pool money
And Jay Dennis has been waxed by Shane , Shane's 10 games up on a hundred before the first ball is broken he's folded like a cheap suit playing Shane
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And Jay Dennis has been waxed by Shane , Shane's 10 games up on a hundred before the first ball is broken he's folded like a cheap suit playing Shane
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In each of the wins you listed, the outcomes could very well have been flipped if the match was played again, no? One race to 13 to decide a championship can very well be won by either opponent on any given day.
Remember, we are not talking about who is the better player. We are just discussing winning one race to 11 or 13 on any given day by world class players. Even the top players (AAA) get knocked out in the early stages by A rated players. Single race has alot of factors. Right?
This will help prove the whole single race to 13 for a championship is a crap shoot between top players. I think right now Shane is probably shooting better than Dennis, but race to 13 between either of these two is a coin flip. Race to 100 maybe Shane has an edge. However, any given day a short race to 13 is a toss up.
1. Many Taiwanese kids do receive serious, even world-class training in school at a small age. (Chang JL, Wu Jiaqing and Ko brothers came from the same school if I remember correctly)
2. They had a national pro league, and many players joined it when they're still very young (Wu at 13 or 14?), so I think Taiwanese players do have more experience when it comes to competitions. (But the league has been cancelled for 2 years due to a lack of sponsors)
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Filipino commentator Bob Guerrero asked the same question . And like you he was asking about lack of Winners /champions in big tourneys . He was not asking about lack of finishers or players who finish runner up or last 4 or last 8 week which many posters here were pointing out
At any big tourney like recent Kuwait Open , All Japan, plenty of Filipinos finish deep in later stages - All Japan had Filipinos making up 50% of last 16
Key question why have they not won more major titles
Bob Guerrero analysed it in 2nd half of this article
https://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/t...-and-a-word-on-fitness-in-pool-044132700.html
Yeah but statistical improbability starts to become a factor when you start looking at 5 US Opens, multiple world championships, ect... The guys who are not one offing these events (like Hudji See or Daryl Peach) and are instead winning multiple major events are bucking the odds and most of those guys are doing that for a reason. They are flat out just that little bit better then most of the other guys and that allows them to get there in those races to 13 more then most of the other guys.
SVB did not win 5 US Opens because he is wicked lucky in coin flips...
Yup, and the taiwanese seems to come on top everytime ?
Too much of a coincidence , makes sense ?
Awesome awesome artical.
Very insightful.
Finally someone ( even better being filipino himself ) can be honest and unbiased when he recognized that his country is indeed under-acheving.
I seriously do think that there is a flaw in the filipino pool circuit where a system shld be implemented for them to be disciplined like the taiwanese for them to move forward n improve.
Thanks buddy , finally somebody is sober enough to get my point !
What about the time when Yang Chin Shun masaccred Dennis mercilessly in front of his filipino home crowd in the color of money 2 ?
It wasnt a race to 13 but long race to 60 , and Yang made dennis look like a practice session by winning over 18 racks.
Bear in mind , dennis was then the money game king so he woofed at yang n got his ass delivered on a nice gold platter.
I remember that match, it's very surprising indeed. Didn't expect Yang to win it by such a large margin.
Anyway, Yang had been Taiwan's #1 for a long time, and thus one of the world's best players. But he has very much underachieved. And that's inexplicable as well.
Yes you're right, a big suprise for a taiwanese player of his calibre.
Over a long period of over 10 years ago, he was undisputedly sia's money ball king.
But he retired way too early without winning a wpa championship as he felt there was no money left in pool.
He just returned but merely a shadow of his former self.
He was once the most feared shotmaker that no taiwanese including wu chia ching or chang jung lin will play even for money.
However his coach n him once revealed in an interview that his biggest weakness is he give up too easily when his behind by a big margin in a race.