Are the new Tariffs on Goods from China going to affect prices on Pool cues?

[skogstokig]

i have a 100-0 trade deficit with my local grocery store. they never bought anything from me

This may have been covered, but it bears identifying, repeating, or summarizing. To tackle the tariff problem totally, it is not going to be enough to just open a new plant in the US. One will have to insure that all raw materials, parts, etc., originate within the US. I remember the term "integration" (vertical and horizontal) from econ 50 years ago, but I do not recall any discussion of "domestic" integration. Do we have any economists in the house?

and workers. which one of you are gonna sit down and sew pool gloves 8-10 hours a day?

 

[patavana]

I tried researching this question, and I have tried doing research on this topic, but I can't find any answers.

This Tarrif thing is so confusing, and I am very confused about just how much the Tariffs might increase pool cue prices, on cues from China.

I have learned that Tarif tax depends on the type of goods being imported. But, I have not found a category for Pool Cues. All of the Categories are for other types of items. Please forgive my ignorance about this.

And, what if I were to find a used pool cue from a seller in China. Would the new Tariffs effect me, if it were a low cost cue, like in the $500 range for example?

Does anyone happen to know what the Tarif tax would be on a used (if that makes any difference) pool cue from China, and would it even matter if that cue was not made in China? Like, for example, a seller in China that had a US Custom cue for sale? Like for example a Nitti custom cue, from a Chinese seller? Would that make any difference? And, lol, I understand that the price would not be $500 if it were a Nitti. Just making an example.

Thanks for any thoughts / info on these very confusing (to me) Tarifs on Goods from China, and how they will affect the pool cue market, of cues from China.

Thanks again for any thoughts.

Easy answer is yes. How much, is the tough part. Some years back I carried household items from the USA to Canada. Mostly outdoor furniture for
the summer cabin. Some small kitchen appliances as well. I was stopped at the border, the items were accessed a value and I had to pay the duty. All this stuff was used for years in the US. Not new. Still a tariff was collected since it did not get purchased in Canada.

 

[Jimmy_Betmore]

i have a 100-0 trade deficit with my local grocery store. they never bought anything from me



and workers. which one of you are gonna sit down and sew pool gloves 8-10 hours a day?

I work in procurement for a manufacturing plant and without question, staffing is by far one of our biggest challenges. And we pay considerably more than minimum wage, even starting out. Hell, we've got higher tenure guys cracking six figures with overtime. Getting a location, bringing in equipment, and setting everything up is relatively easy. But trying to find anyone who will actually show up to work every day and not cause problems, particularly on second or third shift, is borderline impossible. Having said all that, I'd stop short of saying the whole "nobody wants to work anymore." Like most things, it's more complicated than that. One big issue is that we've spend the past forty plus years telling kids in school that they have to go to college and not to go into manufacturing because all of those jobs are going overseas. So that's what they're doing. They're going to college and avoiding manufacturing.

So, yeah. Theoretically, we could bring manufacturing back to The States. But it's going to take a long time to fix a problem that took a long time to create. And it's going to HAVE to be financially viable and rewarding to any company that does it. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Badpenguin]

For all Americans who make under 6 figures, their quality of life will be dramatically affected. Not just buying affordable pool cues. The rest of the world has learned they cannot trust the US any longer. Foreign investment, including in the US bond market, is going to dry up. Why would they fund the complete redevelopment of a manufacturing base that is decades behind Asia, who no longer has the educated or trained workforce, which will take years, and will never be able to compete with the low cost of manufacturing elsewhere? What kind of moron would invest in the US now for anything other than tech? Just wait until the US Dollar becomes the US dollar and is no longer the reserve currency of the world, that is next.

This is brought to you by the same people who thought it would be a great idea in the 90's to send all American manufacturing overseas, selling out our IP and know-how in the process, all in the name of profits. F the American middle class. Now that we can enjoy everything cheap with decent quality, it is time to claw it all back, as if the cat isn't already out of the bag. Who cares that we don't even have the natural resources to spin all this manufacturing back up.

Congratulations Trump voters, for destroying the US. But hey, as long as facebook and Fox News tell you it is all ok, don't worry about it. This won't affect you, your children, and their children at all. As long as we don't have a black President or transgenders running around in your bathrooms, everything is perfect.

 

[ShootingArts]

I work in procurement for a manufacturing plant and without question, staffing is by far one of our biggest challenges. And we pay considerably more than minimum wage, even starting out. Hell, we've got higher tenure guys cracking six figures with overtime. Getting a location, bringing in equipment, and setting everything up is relatively easy. But trying to find anyone who will actually show up to work every day and not cause problems, particularly on second or third shift, is borderline impossible. Having said all that, I'd stop short of saying the whole "nobody wants to work anymore." Like most things, it's more complicated than that. One big issue is that we've spend the past forty plus years telling kids in school that they have to go to college and not to go into manufacturing because all of those jobs are going overseas. So that's what they're doing. They're going to college and avoiding manufacturing.

So, yeah. Theoretically, we could bring manufacturing back to The States. But it's going to take a long time to fix a problem that took a long time to create. And it's going to HAVE to be financially viable and rewarding to any company that does it. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense.

I agree with most of what you say. Pushed too many crews for other people and myself to not see the issues with a lot of the people working. I took over a crew, had a huge man on it. Top side of six-six, overweight, and the job involved climbing. The man brought a playmate full of food every day and brought it home empty. Not the lunchbox size, the full sized playmate! I wondered why he was ever hired and cast an eye on him figuring he would be the first to go. Louis was where he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be and I never saw him make a mistake! I had to inspect the work every evening. Louis was the only man whose work I could inspect at a fast walk. Other people turned out a little more production but flaws had to be corrected. Before long I was wishing I had a full crew like Louis. My boss came after I had been running the crew a few days. He nudged me and asked if I didn't want to fire Louis. "Hell no, he is the last man you can have!"

What I question is how fast we could ramp up if we wanted to. japan bounced back from WWII so fast because we sent our titans of industry to rebuild it. One reason we struggled to compete with japan is we built the best there and were competing with hundred year old industry. We could bring America back to life in less than a decade too. A change in attitude, a focus on vo-tech in high schools and colleges. The average young person of today doesn't know how to work with their hands and has no expectation of ever making their living with their hands. There are still plenty of areas in the US that would support factories though. I laugh at those that don't think there is poverty in the US and people going to bed hungry every night. Offer these people training and good jobs and many will jump at the chance. Not to get too deeply into politics but government handouts were structured to hold people down instead of give them a ticket out too. Instead of forcing people to stay down, give them incentive for themselves and their children to climb out of poverty.

Hu

 

[eg9327]

Not sure on the custom end, but on the production side, the answer is yes, depending on the cue brand. My contact at the billiards supplier I deal with most frequently, has already had to raise their prices on certain brands in order to stay compliant with certain brand required price increases. The price adjustment took effect in mid April.

Few, if any understand tariffs. Actually, there is no such thing as "brand required" price increases. A retailer has always been able to charge whatever they want for goods, regardless of what they paid for them. Economics 101 tells you that when wholesale prices go up then retail must do the same to cover costs. America has gotten addicted to the cheap cost of foreign labor.

 

[Jimmy_Betmore]

For all Americans who make under 6 figures, their quality of life will be dramatically affected. Not just buying affordable pool cues. The rest of the world has learned they cannot trust the US any longer. Foreign investment, including in the US bond market, is going to dry up. Why would they fund the complete redevelopment of a manufacturing base that is decades behind Asia, who no longer has the educated or trained workforce, which will take years, and will never be able to compete with the low cost of manufacturing elsewhere? What kind of moron would invest in the US now for anything other than tech? Just wait until the US Dollar becomes the US dollar and is no longer the reserve currency of the world, that is next.

This is brought to you by the same people who thought it would be a great idea in the 90's to send all American manufacturing overseas, selling out our IP and know-how in the process, all in the name of profits. F the American middle class. Now that we can enjoy everything cheap with decent quality, it is time to claw it all back, as if the cat isn't already out of the bag. Who cares that we don't even have the natural resources to spin all this manufacturing back up.

Congratulations Trump voters, for destroying the US. But hey, as long as facebook and Fox News tell you it is all ok, don't worry about it. This won't affect you, your children, and their children at all. As long as we don't have a black President or transgenders running around in your bathrooms, everything is perfect.

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I agree with most of what you say. Pushed too many crews for other people and myself to not see the issues with a lot of the people working. I took over a crew, had a huge man on it. Top side of six-six, overweight, and the job involved climbing. The man brought a playmate full of food every day and brought it home empty. Not the lunchbox size, the full sized playmate! I wondered why he was ever hired and cast an eye on him figuring he would be the first to go. Louis was where he was supposed to be when he was supposed to be and I never saw him make a mistake! I had to inspect the work every evening. Louis was the only man whose work I could inspect at a fast walk. Other people turned out a little more production but flaws had to be corrected. Before long I was wishing I had a full crew like Louis. My boss came after I had been running the crew a few days. He nudged me and asked if I didn't want to fire Louis. "Hell no, he is the last man you can have!"

What I question is how fast we could ramp up if we wanted to. japan bounced back from WWII so fast because we sent our titans of industry to rebuild it. One reason we struggled to compete with japan is we built the best there and were competing with hundred year old industry. We could bring America back to life in less than a decade too. A change in attitude, a focus on vo-tech in high schools and colleges. The average young person of today doesn't know how to work with their hands and has no expectation of ever making their living with their hands. There are still plenty of areas in the US that would support factories though. I laugh at those that don't think there is poverty in the US and people going to bed hungry every night. Offer these people training and good jobs and many will jump at the chance. Not to get too deeply into politics but government handouts were structured to hold people down instead of give them a ticket out too. Instead of forcing people to stay down, give them incentive for themselves and their children to climb out of poverty.

Hu

Great post. And, like you, I agree with most of what you're saying. The "attitude" or culture is what I know would be the hardest to change. We'd be looking at a very conscious effort by everyone, which would include incentives from the government, to change that. And it would have to start with kids just entering school. So we'd be looking at at least 12 years before we could even begin to see if anything is taking hold.

We've been fed a stream of "more is better" in this country through pretty much all media outlets. And being a tradesman or factory worker earning an honest living is looked down upon by many. I liken it to pool versus golf. By all accounts, they're the same game. Put the ball in the hole. And neither one requires great physical prowess or athleticism to play at an extremely high level. Plus, once your fundamentals are sound, the majority of the challenge is between your ears. But golf is looked at, for the most part, as a fancy game played by fancy people. Never mind the fact that there's easily more money gambled on the golf course every day than their is on pool every month. And there are just as many or more "undesirables" out there swinging a club as there are swinging a cue. In all fairness, though, pool has done a pretty good job of projecting a better image recently. But, just like bringing manufacturing back, we've got a long way to go.

 

[j2pac]

Few, if any understand tariffs. Actually, there is no such thing as "brand required" price increases. A retailer has always been able to charge whatever they want for goods, regardless of what they paid for them. Economics 101 tells you that when wholesale prices go up then retail must do the same to cover costs. America has gotten addicted to the cheap cost of foreign labor.

"A retailer has always been able to charge whatever they want for goods, regardless of what they paid for them."

Not according to my contact. Certain brands will withhold product from their dealers, if they catch wind that their dealers are falling below a certain manufacturer suggested minimum sale price.

 

[billiards_watch]

Stop buying whatever you think is cheap or perceived as a "good deal". My parents were like this.

My father bought a limited edition Leica binoculars. These were 1k binoculars and because he thought it was a good deal we now have two. LOL Thank goodness dad loved quality and it was Leica. Now I have a pair of red Leica binoculars and they normally don't produce them in red. Anyone want binoculars or trade for a cue? LOL

I think once society or Americans, get use to this, our spending will curb and high cost for high quality goods wouldn't even bother us. People are willing to pay. You think the Germans are worried about buying high quality products from their own country? Absolutely not. They are use to high quality products.

We're in a phase of consumerism on steroids and its no surprise where these goods are coming from. The mindset and attitude has to change to our consumerism. If that ever gets fixed than there will be no complaining about pricing.

We're complaining about how cheap crap is more expensive. LOL Shouldn't be buying that stuff in the first place.

 

[Badpenguin]

Stop buying whatever you think is cheap or perceived as a "good deal". My parents were like this.

My father bought a limited edition Leica binoculars. These were 1k binoculars and because he thought it was a good deal we now have two. LOL Thank goodness dad loved quality and it was Leica. Now I have a pair of red Leica binoculars and they normally don't produce them in red. Anyone want binoculars or trade for a cue? LOL

I think once society or Americans, get use to this, our spending will curb and high cost for high quality goods wouldn't even bother us. People are willing to pay. You think the Germans are worried about buying high quality products from their own country? Absolutely not. They are use to high quality products.

We're in a phase of consumerism on steroids and its no surprise where these goods are coming from. The mindset and attitude has to change to our consumerism. If that ever gets fixed than there will be no complaining about pricing.

We're complaining about how cheap crap is more expensive. LOL Shouldn't be buying that stuff in the first place.

So now you Trumpers advocate communism?

What part of what you are recommending here resembles capitalism and a free market whatsoever? Why in hell should I want to pay more for everything? And guess what, I don't go out and buy up everything just because I can. But when my car needs replacing, or a TV goes out, or I need a new phone, I sure as hell don't want to pay more for an inferior product. Why in the hell would anyone want to do that?

And note that is the entire supply chain man, it isn't just widgets. Need to upgrade infrastructure such as bridges? Good luck finding steel sourced from the US. Need cheaper housing to relieve the inflated real estate market so people can actually live in an affordable home? Good luck, we source the majority of our labor from Canada.

But good to know who we are dealing with now, communists. And not reasonable communists like the Chinese, who have beat us at our own game and own the majority of our debt, more like the two bit dictators likes Ceaușescu.

 

[billiards_watch]

So now you Trumpers advocate communism?

What part of what you are recommending here resembles capitalism and a free market whatsoever? Why in hell should I want to pay more for everything? And guess what, I don't go out and buy up everything just because I can. But when my car needs replacing, or a TV goes out, or I need a new phone, I sure as hell don't want to pay more for an inferior product. Why in the hell would anyone want to do that?

And note that is the entire supply chain man, it isn't just widgets. Need to upgrade infrastructure such as bridges? Good luck finding steel sourced from the US. Need cheaper housing to relieve the inflated real estate market so people can actually live in an affordable home? Good luck, we source the majority of our labor from Canada.

But good to know who we are dealing with now, communists. And not reasonable communists like the Chinese, who have beat us at our own game and own the majority of our debt, more like the two bit dictators likes Ceaușescu.

Normally I would respond but calling me a communist is very insincere and a lazy way of getting out of a meaningful conversation.

You're reading my post but you are not understanding it.

When I say buy something of higher cost it means buying something of high value. I already said we need to stop buying cheap trash for double the price.

 

[BobPA]

For all Americans who make under 6 figures, their quality of life will be dramatically affected. Not just buying affordable pool cues. The rest of the world has learned they cannot trust the US any longer. Foreign investment, including in the US bond market, is going to dry up. Why would they fund the complete redevelopment of a manufacturing base that is decades behind Asia, who no longer has the educated or trained workforce, which will take years, and will never be able to compete with the low cost of manufacturing elsewhere? What kind of moron would invest in the US now for anything other than tech? Just wait until the US Dollar becomes the US dollar and is no longer the reserve currency of the world, that is next.

This is brought to you by the same people who thought it would be a great idea in the 90's to send all American manufacturing overseas, selling out our IP and know-how in the process, all in the name of profits. F the American middle class. Now that we can enjoy everything cheap with decent quality, it is time to claw it all back, as if the cat isn't already out of the bag. Who cares that we don't even have the natural resources to spin all this manufacturing back up.

Congratulations Trump voters, for destroying the US. But hey, as long as facebook and Fox News tell you it is all ok, don't worry about it. This won't affect you, your children, and their children at all. As long as we don't have a black President or transgenders running around in your bathrooms, everything is perfect.

Talk about doom and gloom. Maybe you need another booster.....Hyperventilating into your mask is not recommended. Neither you or I actually know what is going to happen, especially in the long term. Why not wait a bit and see how things play out before you raise the white flag on life as you know it.

 

[Badpenguin]

Normally I would respond but calling me a communist is very insincere and a lazy way of getting out of a meaningful conversation.

You're reading my post but you are not understanding it.

When I say buy something of higher cost it means buying something of high value. I already said we need to stop buying cheap trash for double the price.

I guess you failed to grasp my arguments. High value is in the eye of the beholder. And when there is only one place to source it from, high value means nothing.

My Japanese car is high value. My Chinese TVs are high value. My mostly-Taiwanese apple devices are high value. And good thing, because I can't buy those things anywhere else, and manufacturing them in the US 15 years down the road for 3x the price is no longer high value for me.

But yeah, typical of people who have zero critical thinking skills and merely regurgitate what Fox news and Facebook tells them to. Our educational system is obviously gone, because there is no one left with critical thinking skills.

 

[Badpenguin]

Talk about doom and gloom. Maybe you need another booster.....Hyperventilating into your mask is not recommended. Neither you or I actually know what is going to happen, especially in the long term. Why not wait a bit and see how things play out before you raise the white flag on life as you know it.

Well, if you happen to be banking on retiring on a 401K in 6 years, you might see things differently.

 

[billiards_watch]

I guess you failed to grasp my arguments. High value is in the eye of the beholder. And when there is only one place to source it from, high value means nothing.

My Japanese car is high value. My Chinese TVs are high value. My mostly-Taiwanese apple devices are high value. And good thing, because I can't buy those things anywhere else, and manufacturing them in the US 15 years down the road for 3x the price is no longer high value for me.

But yeah, typical of people who have zero critical thinking skills and merely regurgitate what Fox news and Facebook tells them to. Our educational system is obviously gone, because there is no one left with critical thinking skills.

Perhaps a move in career?

Maybe you can upgrade to Jacoby. Made in America.

 

[maha]

tariffs are not a fixed thing. they are there to equalize the other countries trade with yours. they start out real high to get a deal made just like when you sell something you start high so you have room to negotiate.
they do raise prices marginally in the end if your side of the trade gets the best of it and that money goes into your country's coffers.

 

[Badpenguin]

Perhaps a move in career?

Maybe you can upgrade to Jacoby. Made in America.

A move in career does not help the stock market getting drained of all value, as it is now. But yeah, I'll throw away the 27 years I have been at my current job to go ask if you want fries with that for $15 an hour. That will replenish the losses.

I already have a Schon, and a Diamond pool table, mostly made in the US, thank you very much.

Note that other than Diamond and possibly a few cue makers, everyone else is the American pool industry is screwed. You going to pay $157.50 for Fedor's Jam Up jersey? $2,382 for a cuetech truewood II? $27,000 for a Gold Crown VII (assuming it started at $12K)? Do you know for a fact where American cue manufacturers get their woodstock, joint hardware, cue weights, etc?

 

[maha]

and what if and when and we have a war with one of these countries like china where we get almost all our medicines and most products from. and they stop sending us anything. you know what would happen to the price of things. right thru the roof.

we need to be self sufficient for all important things at all costs. if you dont see that then you think only short term.

 

[billiards_watch]

A move in career does not help the stock market getting drained of all value, as it is now. But yeah, I'll throw away the 27 years I have been at my current job to go ask if you want fries with that for $15 an hour. That will replenish the losses.

I already have a Schon, and a Diamond pool table, mostly made in the US, thank you very much.

Note that other than Diamond and possibly a few cue makers, everyone else is the American pool industry is screwed. You going to pay $157.50 for Fedor's Jam Up jersey? $2,382 for a cuetech truewood II? $27,000 for a Gold Crown VII (assuming it started at $12K)? Do you know for a fact where American cue manufacturers get their woodstock, joint hardware, cue weights, etc?

Fake outrage.

Then you have been spewing what MSNBC and what CNN have told you.

You claim to be doing well then why so upset?

 

[Badpenguin]

Fake outrage.

Then you have been spewing what MSNBC and what CNN have told you.

You claim to be doing well then why so upset?

Well, no, it actually has to do more with actual real things happening to me because of this nonsense. Like my retirement losing a sizable chunk and I might have to delay my retirement for a few years. I don't even watch MSNBC or CNN and haven't in years.

But nice how you have refuted no argument whatsoever.