are your local bar rules as dumb as mine?

The pool hall I grew up in 8 ball rules:

Foul on scratches.

All fouls placed behind headstring shoot uptable. If no ball past line spot closest to headstring.

8 ball neutral.

No called shots except 8.

8 on break wins. Scratch while shooting 8 loses. 8 pocketed out of turn loss.


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Hollismason said:
I think the worst bar rule has to be last pocket on the 8, meaning you have to pocket the 8 in whichever pocket you make your last object ball. It just makes the game last foreeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvverrrr.
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that's the whole point. they don't want a quick game they want as much mileage out of their quarters as possible.
 
Hollismason said:
I think the worst bar rule has to be last pocket on the 8, meaning you have to pocket the 8 in whichever pocket you make your last object ball. It just makes the game last foreeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvverrrr.
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Well ......... kinda depends on the skill level of the people playing.
 
beneath_the_sur said:
You dont say

So your now turning a scratch which a foul into a reward a weapon
Rewarding bad play

Sounds like something a bar player would condone
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I have not touched a drop of alcohol on years so I can't use that as an excuse for not understanding what you are saying here.

Who the hell would scratch during the break on purpose ?

Then again maybe its you that does not understand what I was saying.. I stated bar rules state that you get bih behind the line and bcapl rules state you get bih any where on the table.....which leads to easier run outs.

Just how does that equate to rewarding bad play.?

For the record...i.don't have a problem playing by any rules. Of course I have my preferences but I am not going to proclaim the rules I prefer are better than others or that other rules are dumb. Nor am I going to proclaim any rules penalize or reward a certain demographic of players.

I do believe that the better player....that day....ia going to come out on top mo matter what rules they are playing by. However I do realize there are players out there that will blame the rules....table...balls and just about ever thing under the sun for their loss.

Personally I dont mind playing by any rules.

If we ever ran into each other I would be willing to play any game....any rules ....any size table. That goes foe any one else on this forum also..it dont matter if you are a bar banger or semi pro to me.. I just like playing pool and if I win so be it. If I lose it aint the end of the world cause the sun will still come up tomorrow.
 
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lorider said:
I have not touched a drop of alcohol on years so I can't use that as an excuse for not understanding what you are saying here.

Who the hell would scratch during the break on purpose ?

Then again maybe its you that does not understand what I was saying.. I stated bar rules state that you get bih behind the line and bcapl rules state you get bih any where on the table.....which leads to easier run outs.

Just how does that equate to rewarding bad play.?

For the record...i.don't have a problem playing by any rules. Of course I have my preferences but I am not going to proclaim the rules I prefer are better than others or that other rules are dumb. Nor am I going to proclaim any rules penalize or reward a certain demographic of players.

I do believe that the better player....that day....ia going to come out on top mo matter what rules they are playing by. However I do realize there are players out there that will blame the rules....table...balls and just about ever thing under the sun for their loss.

Personally I dont mind playing by any rules.

If we ever ran into each other I would be willing to play any game....any rules ....any size table. That goes foe any one else on this forum also..it dont matter if you are a bar banger or semi pro to me.. I just like playing pool and if I win so be it. If I lose it aint the end of the world cause the sun will still come up tomorrow.
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Well gee if your opponent is on the 8 and your not if the 8 is on the other end camt you see someone going ooopsie scratch

What parr of that dont you understand

Why is it your opponent muat pay for YOUR FOUL? answer me this

When you foul scratch
Why must your opponent be sent to the kitchen? Punishing him

Why not punish the person who fouled and scratched by giving the opponent ball in hand

Answer that

People run out all the time without bih
 
My number is right there if you ever make it to houston we'll play some 3 cushion on a big table
Or perhaps some balkline, you might appreciate the challenge of a pocketless 10ft table and a game played with only 3 balls if any game will do as you say
 
beneath_the_sur said:
Well gee if your opponent is on the 8 and your not if the 8 is on the other end camt you see someone going ooopsie scratch

What parr of that dont you understand

Why is it your opponent muat pay for YOUR FOUL? answer me this

When you foul scratch
Why must your opponent be sent to the kitchen? Punishing him

Why not punish the person who fouled and scratched by giving the opponent ball in hand

Answer that

People run out all the time without bih
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Well thanks for explaining what you meant. What you are talking about is entirely different than what you quoted me on.

I do agree that what you are talking about is a crappy move and have had it played on me a few times in bars. Of course I have lost a few games because of it but I have also won a few by kicking down table and making the 8.the look on my opponents face was always priceless.

When I would lose on account of that type move it always made me determined to beat the crap outa him the next rack.
 
beneath_the_sur said:
My number is right there if you ever make it to houston we'll play some 3 cushion on a big table
Or perhaps some balkline, you might appreciate the challenge of a pocketless 10ft table and a game played with only 3 balls if any game will do as you say
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Well thanks for the invite.:)

If I ever see I might be headed that direction I will let you know. I am familiar with 3 cushion but know nothing about balkline.

If you would not mind teaching a lowly banger like me I would gladly try it out .
 
smashmouth said:
the 100 or so regulars and semi regulars at my local pub, very working class blue collar spot, almost unanimously swear by the following;

-cue ball behind head string on fouls
- must shoot up table
-a foul is pretty much only a cueball going into a pocket
-any missed shot of any kind or fouls of any kind you just lose turn, opponent plays cue ball where it lies
-balls must be pocketed call shot call pocket including rails, caroms, etc....
- a few other wacky ones I can't remember

they think ball in hand makes for an easier game and any explanation of the "hitting a rail after contact" rule is received with high levels of confusion and beweliderment

can usually be quite fun EXCEPT when trying to get an actual real game going
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beneath_the_sur said:
Pocket games almost always lead to bickering
Carom games only breed joy
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That's cause most people are not like me. I have almost 1300 matches in apa and van count on one hand the number of times I have had a disagreement over a game. Odd thing is all of those disagreements were over moves being pulled on my team mates. It was my duty since I am captain..

I am.a pretty laid back kinda guy .
 
beneath_the_sur said:
Well gee if your opponent is on the 8 and your not if the 8 is on the other end cant you see someone going ooopsie scratch
What part of that dont you understand
Why is it your opponent must pay for YOUR FOUL? answer me this
When you foul scratch
Why must your opponent be sent to the kitchen? Punishing him
Why not punish the person who fouled and scratched by giving the opponent ball in hand
Answer that
People run out all the time without bih
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You brought logic into this. Shame on you..:wink:
I cannot figure why people in those places don't understand that..........because if I was dumb enough to get trapped in a game under those rules, and the 8 was behind the line, that's exactly what I'd do.
I'd just shoot the cueball as a scratch into a pocket and make the guy kick full table at that 8.
Then they'd probably want to beat me up.
I hate those places.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I'm not sure who John is, but I would highly recommend Bob's. :grin:

For the WPA World Standardized Rules, see them at their new home:
http://wpapool.com/rules-of-play/ and http://wpapool.com/rule-regulations/

I used to play in a league that had the rule "No Safes". Strangely, none of the better players ever tried to take advantage of the rule and the old codgers who played the "oops, I missed" shots didn't have any chance to win anyway.

Bob <-- moving into old codger territory
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Bob knows what's up!

eastcoast_chris said:
Been a long time since I've played bar rules....

But about 12-15 years ago I played in a qualifier for the "Number 7 Eight Ball Challenge" in Ottawa, Canada. It was a series sponsored by a cigarette company.

I went to the qualifier in a road house type bar. (i'd been play BCA rules in leagues, etc.) and they decided they were playing bar rules, even though the tournament we were qualifying for was definitely BCA rules.

One rules was the "no need to get a rail" rule. Boy did they get pissed when I continually took advantage of it and would roll up on the back of my balls (snooker style).

Hope they learnt how silly their rules were when I left with the first place money/entry to the national tournament. :smile:
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Love it. Way to go!
 
This is probably the worst

I was watching a game at a reasonably calm tavern.
The two guys were playing for 5 bucks and it was a coin operated bar table. Others were waiting their chances at the game.
One guy was short and could not reach a shot without the mechanical bridge. As he is arranging the bridge on the table for his shot, he lays his cue down in an uncluttered area of the table.
His opponent yells "FOUL".
Then proceeds to get 3-4 pages of typewritten house rules off a bulletin board to prove his statement. There in black and white was a rule that stated..."laying your cue stick on the table is a foul".
Then the shouting and cursing started. No fight, but close.
 
Low500 said:
I was watching a game at a reasonably calm tavern.
The two guys were playing for 5 bucks and it was a coin operated bar table. Others were waiting their chances at the game.
One guy was short and could not reach a shot without the mechanical bridge. As he is arranging the bridge on the table for his shot, he lays his cue down in an uncluttered area of the table.
His opponent yells "FOUL".
Then proceeds to get 3-4 pages of typewritten house rules off a bulletin board to prove his statement. There in black and white was a rule that stated..."laying your cue stick on the table is a foul".
Then the shouting and cursing started. No fight, but close.
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Bar "Rules" SUCK!
 
One place I play at awards 'two shots' for a foul, with first shot from the kitchen, play until miss, then shoot again from where the cue ball lays.
 
Neutral 8 is the worst, lost a few times while hooking someone behind the 8 and not knowing the local way.

It's usually the first indicator that I should be enjoying the bar and casually playing a game; not like being in a pool room equipped with a bar where you can play with intent, but a bar with a pool table where playing with intent makes you the enemy.
 
lorider said:
If I am not mistaken....cornerman correct me if I am wrong :D. Bcapl changed the rule from bih behind the line after a scratch on the break to bih anywhere around 15 or so years ago. Why ? I guess to make the game easier for you " serious" players . ;)
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Quicker, not easier. "Easier" is what APA rules are for.
 
michael4 said:
that is standard in most bars......plus you can hit the 8-ball first in combinations :grin-square::grin-square:
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Well, duh, everyone knows the 8-ball is neutral. That's why the game was invented in Switzerland ;)
 
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