Argument/Forfeit at Predator World 14.1 Championship
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They use refs, just not in the round robin.
Mmmmmmmmmm, I Wonder
Previously by SUPERSTAR:
Apparently, Bob was on a big comeback, and with only a couple balls left before the breakshot to what would have been his runout, when Stevie called another foul, which Bob didn't believe, seeing as there were only a couple of balls left on the table.
Apparently, Bob and Stevie disagreed, and Bob broke down his cue telling Stevie that if that's what he needed to do to win, then go ahead.
That makes me wonder what would have happened if the table hadn't been in a 'favorable' position for Bob M.
Would Stevie have called the foul if the balls were in an untenable state ?
Would he have called the same foul to his detriment ?
Doug
Previously by SUPERSTAR:
Apparently, Bob was on a big comeback, and with only a couple balls left before the breakshot to what would have been his runout, when Stevie called another foul, which Bob didn't believe, seeing as there were only a couple of balls left on the table.
Apparently, Bob and Stevie disagreed, and Bob broke down his cue telling Stevie that if that's what he needed to do to win, then go ahead.
SUPERSTAR said:
That makes me wonder what would have happened if the table hadn't been in a 'favorable' position for Bob M.
Would Stevie have called the foul if the balls were in an untenable state ?
Would he have called the same foul to his detriment ?
Doug
Steve Lipsky said:
With a $20,000 added purse and a $500 entry fee, one would think there would be a referee for each match/round
Regardless, good luck to everyone involved.
Craig
Smorgass Bored said:
My point exactly.
It does seem well timed/rather convenient for Stevie doesn't it.
But at the same time, with people that will undoubtedly stand up for each individual's integrity, how are we supposed to know?
I want someone who was there and saw it, to get up there and have the balls to either say, BOB FOULED!, or say, BOB DIDN'T FOUL, IT WAS A SHARK MOVE!!!
Cause you know what, if i was there and saw it, i wouldn't hesitate in the least to say what was up either way!
I want to know.
just guessing on my own here
10 ref X $20 /hr X 8 hours X 6 days = $9600
And then they also think about costs for tex/outfits, training, food, lodging, etc...
At Roseland NYC in 2000 there was a great volunteer program for ref/score keepers, partly helped by tournament director Arthur Rosen (great guy).
Instead of being critical on an ongoing event which can't be changed much immediately, perhaps we can organize some suggestions to help the event for the next year?
let's make progress together...
10 ref X $20 /hr X 8 hours X 6 days = $9600
And then they also think about costs for tex/outfits, training, food, lodging, etc...
At Roseland NYC in 2000 there was a great volunteer program for ref/score keepers, partly helped by tournament director Arthur Rosen (great guy).
Instead of being critical on an ongoing event which can't be changed much immediately, perhaps we can organize some suggestions to help the event for the next year?
let's make progress together...
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cuetable said:
These numbers would be more realistic:
10 refs x $10/hr x 14 hours x 4 days = $5,600
You wouldn't have to pay them $20 per hour, you need them for more than 8 hours per day, but you'd really only need most of them for the first 4 days.
However, I agree with your main point - this is an incredible tournament. The addition of the refs for the round robin would be nice but in no way necessary.
I cannot describe how important I think this tournament is to the overall health of 14.1. Dragon, Randy, and Joel are doing a wonderful thing!
- Steve
Williebetmore said:
Willie.......just for the record, golf rules are actually quite harsh in those circumstances
A golfer who moves the ball without knowing it and only finds out about that via tv viewers after having already played his next shot would actually have to add 3 shots to his score on that hole, not 1 shot
When his ball moves he incurs a 1 shot penalty. If he then plays the ball without replacing it to where it moved from, he incurs a further 2 shot penalty for playing it from the wrong place
For The Love Of The GAME...... imo
I think that there are enough 14.1 lovers out there to supply Refs at a VERY minimal cost, perhaps $100-$200 total (or, No money) and food & room. Some I suspect would travel at there own expense.
I have many years of experience as a TD and Ref and I would gladly Ref at many venues if asked for Free, plus room & food ( I know, I know, the food cost could bankrupt the promoter ).
Doug
( of course, there are some people/promotors that I would NOT help out no matter how much was being paid/offered )
cuetable said:
I think that there are enough 14.1 lovers out there to supply Refs at a VERY minimal cost, perhaps $100-$200 total (or, No money) and food & room. Some I suspect would travel at there own expense.
I have many years of experience as a TD and Ref and I would gladly Ref at many venues if asked for Free, plus room & food ( I know, I know, the food cost could bankrupt the promoter ).
Doug
( of course, there are some people/promotors that I would NOT help out no matter how much was being paid/offered )
And, if he signs the scorecard with the incorrect score on it, he is disqualified from the tournament.memikey said:Willie.......just for the record, golf rules are actually quite harsh in those circumstances
A golfer who moves the ball without knowing it and only finds out about that via tv viewers after having already played his next shot would actually have to add 3 shots to his score on that hole, not 1 shot
When his ball moves he incurs a 1 shot penalty. If he then plays the ball without replacing it to where it moved from, he incurs a further 2 shot penalty for playing it from the wrong place
Tough room......
Voodoo Daddy
One Pocket 101
Steve Lipsky said:
I would have ref'd for a hotel room for the week...whats wrong with that?
We'd Make The Cover Of 'Some' Magazine (maybe N.R.A. Monthly)
Yeah, you or I in a tuxedo would be quite a sight.
Doug
( or a thong )
Maybe one of those t-shirts with the tuxedo 'printed on' would work.... imo
Voodoo Daddy said:
Yeah, you or I in a tuxedo would be quite a sight.
Doug
( or a thong )
Maybe one of those t-shirts with the tuxedo 'printed on' would work.... imo
I Can Spot SANTA CLAUS In 'Belly Fouls"
Probably the most dreaded of all possible fouls....... the "Belly Foul" !
Doug
( regrets, I've had a few..... but then again, too many to mention )
stick8 said:What in fact was the foul?????
Probably the most dreaded of all possible fouls....... the "Belly Foul" !
Doug
( regrets, I've had a few..... but then again, too many to mention )
stick8 said:What in fact was the foul?????
To be perfectly honest with you, i don't know.
All i know is what i stated before.
From my understanding, Bob was either shooting the ball before the key ball, or something very close to it, and the foul was called.
So, if that information is correct, i don't really see a shirt hitting a ball type of situation, although i have no credible basis for making that assumption. I am just picturing a situation with few balls on the table.
I played him enough times over the years and have seen him play straight pool enough times that i would think that at that point in the rack, stretch shots were probably not in the equation, but more likely, a bunch of stop shots or close to it.
He's not a short player, so it makes it harder to picture the shirt foul.
I will try to get clarification as to exactly what type of foul was called if i can and maybe shed more light on the situation.
memikey said:Willie.......just for the record, golf rules are actually quite harsh in those circumstances
A golfer who moves the ball without knowing it and only finds out about that via tv viewers after having already played his next shot would actually have to add 3 shots to his score on that hole, not 1 shot
When his ball moves he incurs a 1 shot penalty. If he then plays the ball without replacing it to where it moved from, he incurs a further 2 shot penalty for playing it from the wrong place
It's actually happened where the player didn't know and found out after his round...meaning he signed an incorrect scorecard....meaning he's disqualified...That's tough action. It's even happened to guys (and girls) who won the tournament and then were DQ'd. How bad would that suck?! To think you'd won $1 million only to find out that when you took a penalty drop, your ball ended up 1 inch closer to the hole. You didn't see it, the ref didn't see it, but the cameras did. You finish, sign your scorecard and go home empty-handed and disgraced.
Cheers,
RC
SUPERSTAR said:
Well I have known Stevie for about 10 years and I dont think he would intentionally call a foul unless he really thought it was a foul. Also, I know in Texas Express rules, if you do not call a ref. or someone to watch a hit, then if there is an argument about a foul, it goes to the shooter. Ofcourse, no one can predict all ball fouls so this is really an unfortunate situation.
the fact that Bob (whom I do not know) did not remain in the game and just threw his hands up in the air is the part that I do not agree with. if you are playing at that level (much less paying $500 to play plus expenses), even as heart breaking as it may be, you should conduct yourself accordingly (this from an emotional player). if he was unfairly sharked, that stinks something terrible, but he should have sat down and waited it out - he could have had a chance to finish it out and beat him anyway which would have been the best justice of it all - if it was a sharking technique, it worked.
9balllvr
9balllvr
I wrote an article full of suggestions last year. There were lots of comments last year. I'm very glad to see the event taking place, and I'm spending something like $1800 to see the last two days, but it really would be nice if some of the suggestions here and elsewhere were implemented next year.cuetable said: