Argument/Forfeit at Predator World 14.1 Championship

You bring up a good point.

But on that same wavelength, when i was growing up, watching an umpire and a coach going at it with them in each others faces, spitting up a storm with the coach kicking dirt on the plate, was kind of entertaining.

Cause to me, baseball is WAY more boring then pool, and those were the high lites of an otherwise boring pastime.

But in light of your point, i would think that in major SPORTS, and i truly feel that pool is NOT a sport at least not in the same way those other sports are sports, i feel that it is a different animal.

Your talking about sports where the sole object is to crush the guy with the ball so that you can get it back.
Your talking about watching blood bounce off the ice.
Your talking about guys getting broken bones as a result of the sport they are playing with.

That isn't pool.
Unless we are moving to a full contact/sharking pool era, i don't think the appeal for pool is the same.

As it stands now, pool is an elegant game, and not one of brutality.
I feel that sponsors are looking for different things as a result.

It's not like i have to beat you up in a battle of physical strength so that when i win, i can shoot a straight in duck. should that ever be the case, then it isn't pool as we know it.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Anyone who acts that way in a professional event is disgracing the sport. PERIOD.
There are no excuses.

This isn't some poolroom argument, this is a World Championship, and he acted like an ass.

Do you really think any potential sponsors are ever gonna pony up any type of money were they to witness behavior like this?

It's just BAD for pool. Simple as that. If he felt like he was getting Homered or not is besides the point. There is a way to act professionally, and then there is a way to act UN professionally.

He chose the latter, and therefore he should be held accountable as should everyone who decides to act like an ass.

If that is how he chose to act, then he is BAD for pool. Just like everyone else who acts like an ass is BAD for pool.

It has nothing to do if he was right or wrong about the foul. It is his ACTIONS that are in question now.

It's plain as day.
He acted unprofessionally, and anyone who would ever feel the need to criticize his actions is fully justified in doing so.
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Superstar,

I appreciate your opinion. But why do you continue to emote so much hate in your posts on this? Why can't you let it go? It's like Bob is your Uncle, or that you hate Atlanta. Or that Stevie has personally wronged you.

Disagreements happen all the time in our sport. And it's OK to discuss them. But I must say that I have never seen anyone explode with so much bitterness and hatred over a disagreement in a pool match. Especially one that they were not even involved in.

I'm not trying to flame you or rattle your cage. I'm just curious why this means so much to you.

Mike
 
Stevie Moore double standard?

So for all you Stevie supporters, answer me this.

This is coming from my on site witness.

Why, in his match with Bob, did he get all sorts of conscious with the fouls and such, to the point where he had the ref come over multiple times, and have it ultimately end up with him losing his cool....

...and at the same time, when he was involved in another match with someone altogether different, when THAT player was jacked up over a ball, and touched/moved the ball, Stevie let it slide, and told the guy to not worry about it and to continue shooting.

Seems like a huge double standard if that's the case.

Why is it that he's all gung ho about fouls with Bob, and doesn't care with someone else?

Or could it be that Stevie only feels like he's getting played for a chump, or cares about the foul, when the guy is a potential threat to beat him.

I dunno.
It sounds awfully fishy to me.

At least be consistent if your gonna cry foul, and not selectively try to enforce the rules with certain people and not others.

If you take all these things into account, it just sounds more and more suspicious.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
So for all you Stevie supporters, answer me this.

This is coming from my on site witness.

Why, in his match with Bob, did he get all sorts of conscious with the fouls and such, to the point where he had the ref come over multiple times, and have it ultimately end up with him losing his cool....

...and at the same time, when he was involved in another match with someone altogether different, when THAT player was jacked up over a ball, and touched/moved the ball, Stevie let it slide, and told the guy to not worry about it and to continue shooting.

Seems like a huge double standard if that's the case.

Why is it that he's all gung ho about fouls with Bob, and doesn't care with someone else?

Or could it be that Stevie only feels like he's getting played for a chump, or cares about the foul, when the guy is a potential threat to beat him.

I dunno.
It sounds awfully fishy to me.

At least be consistent if your gonna cry foul, and not selectively try to enforce the rules with certain people and not others.

If you take all these things into account, it just sounds more and more suspicious.
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Just let it go brotha! Count to 10 - take a deep breath and if you see Stevie you can ask him yourself. No one here can speak for him or his actions.

Good luck.

BVal
 
BVal said:
Just let it go brotha! Count to 10 - take a deep breath and if you see Stevie you can ask him yourself. No one here can speak for him or his actions.

Good luck.

BVal
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No sh*t ! This thread is making my eyes bleed.
 
Mike Templeton said:
Superstar,

I appreciate your opinion. But why do you continue to emote so much hate in your posts on this? Why can't you let it go? It's like Bob is your Uncle, or that you hate Atlanta. Or that Stevie has personally wronged you.

Disagreements happen all the time in our sport. And it's OK to discuss them. But I must say that I have never seen anyone explode with so much bitterness and hatred over a disagreement in a pool match. Especially one that they were not even involved in.

I'm not trying to flame you or rattle your cage. I'm just curious why this means so much to you.

Mike
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I have a supreme amount of contempt for behavior like this in major events.

If it was another player, i'd be talking about them, just as i have voiced my opinions on Earl and others many times.
It just so happens that Stevie is the one who is in the spotlight now. By his own hand.

Stuff like this just shouldn't happen, especially in high profile events.
It is unfortunate that it does, but in light of the facts that have been revealed in this instance, i am suspect of the actual motives for it.

That's all.

If it were to happen again with someone else tomorrow, believe me, i would be posting another thread about them.
If certain rules were in place, people that act up would be tossed form the event, so that they might LEARN and better their behavior the next time around.

As it stands now, there are no such systems in place, and behavior like this is REWARDED, and people BENEFIT from it.

THAT'S what disgusts me.
It should all be about sportsmanship and class.
It shouldn't be about abusive people who get away with it.

All that back room pool behavior should be left there when big events that people pay money to see come around.
 
BVal said:
Look at all the MAJOR corporate sponsors who are involved in baseball and basketball. Those two sports alone have more crybabies, fights between each other/fans and out of control arguements with the refs/umps and corporate america has no problem shelling out cash for them.
I am not talking about these two players and this incedent - I am just talking about this comment. If no sponsors are willing to pony up money for witnessing that kind of behavior then why do these sports have no problem with money? JMHO - not trying to argue with you. Just a different perspective.
Personally - I think the reason is something else - I am just not sure exactly what it is.

BVal
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You can't compare baseball and basketball with pool. They are hugely popular money-making machines that don't need to beg for sponsorship money no matter how the players behave.

Pool can't even get enough sponsorship money to make a straight pool World championship profitable. If pool has any hope of going "big time" (or even medium time) it's pros will have to act more professionally than these two did.

I don't know either of them but the number of people on both sides who swear that they are both wonderful gentlemen leads me to believe that this was an anomaly on both their parts.

It sounds as if at least Mr. Maidhof is sorry for the way he behaved. I hope Mr. Moore knows that name calling and cursing has no place in the this type of event and expresses his regret as well.

As someone else mentioned it would be a shame if this event, which so many of us are happy to see being put on, is remembered for this instead of great 14.1 play.

MM...tossing in his $.02
 
SUPERSTAR said:
I have a supreme amount of contempt for behavior like this in major events.
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Stevie acted inappropriately with his language toward another player in a large event and that disgusts you. That is reasonable and understandable.

Do you not also find it contemptuous if a player fouls then tries to play it off as if he didn't. After he gets called on it he proceeds to question the integrity of the other player and then, like a child, packs up his toys and goes home.

Neither one acted as they wish they probably would have but you seem to be riding one of the participants in this skirmish a little harder than the other.
 
Ktown D said:
Stevie acted inappropriately with his language toward another player in a large event and that disgusts you. That is reasonable and understandable.

Do you not also find it contemptuous if a player fouls then tries to play it off as if he didn't. After he gets called on it he proceeds to question the integrity of the other player and then, like a child, packs up his toys and goes home.

Neither one acted as they wish they probably would have but you seem to be riding one of the participants in this skirmish a little harder than the other.
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You are absolutely right.
Your talking about 2 completely different sets of actions.

One player, Bob, who already gave the benefit of the doubt when he didn't feel he committed a foul the first time, and then when he sticks to his guns on a second call and didn't feel he committed a foul, he get cursed at and belittled, and after hearing it for long enough, just decides that he didn't feel like listening to the garbage anymore and packed it up.

But then you have Stevie who only questions fouls in certain matches, and dismisses them in others, who given the rules governing the tournament (however flawed they may be) refuses to give up his claim (as he should have according to the rules) and then decides that he is entitled to badger and belittle his opponent with cheap remarks and foul language.
To me, if Stevie had any respect for the rules, he would have sucked it up and shut up he has NO CLAIM to begin with, REGARDLESS of if a foul was committed or not.
BIATCH all you want about it after the fact, but you don't go riding your opponent like an ass in a pro event. It's just that simple.
If the rules piss you off because you feel like they failed you, then complain to the promoter of the event, and try to better the whole situation for future events and learn from it.


In this instance, there was clearly an aggressor, and clearly someone who didn't want to hear it anymore.

Lets make no mistake about it, INSULTING AND BELITTLING SOMEONE is the childish act that was committed here.
 
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SUPERSTAR said:
You are absolutely right.
Your talking about 2 completely different sets of actions.

One player, Bob, who already gave the benefit of the doubt when he didn't feel he committed a foul the first time, and then when he sticks to his guns on a second call and didn't feel he committed a foul, he get cursed at and belittled, and after hearing it for long enough, just decides that he didn't feel like listening to the garbage anymore and packed it up.

But then you have Stevie who only questions fouls in certain matches, and dismisses them in others, who given the rules governing the tournament (however flawed they may be) refuses to give up his claim (as he should have according to the rules) and then decides that he is entitled to badger and belittle his opponent with cheap remarks and foul language.
To me, if Stevie had any respect for the rules, he would have sucked it up and shut up he has NO CLAIM to begin with, REGARDLESS of if a foul was committed or not.
BIATCH all you want about it after the fact, but you don't go riding your opponent like an ass in a pro event. It's just that simple.
If the rules piss you off because you feel like they failed you, then complain to the promoter of the event, and try to better the whole situation for future events and learn from it.


In this instance, there was clearly an aggressor, and clearly someone who didn't want to hear it anymore.

Lets make no mistake about it, INSULTING AND BELITTLING SOMEONE is the childish act that was committed here.
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Cant we all just get along??? it over let bob&stevie settle. and shut the F*** up!!!!
 
Ktown D said:
We'll all be able to see for ourselves and make up our own minds when it airs on TV.:rolleyes:
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It may not be on broadcast tv, but...

WHY IN THE HELL ARE THERE NO VIDEO CAMERAS AT EACH TABLE? I'd suggest each player get one and record each match, just in case.

With the price of these suckers so low, all of these problems could be solved quite easily, I'd think. Just have the ref watch the replay, make a call, and there ya go!

Jeff Livingston
 
It just dawned on me about the t.v.match between EArl and Corey. When Earl obviously fouled and the ref missed it. Earl got the ruleing to his benefit. It is unfortunate but what do you do??
Why didn't they go to the replay and give Corey the ball in hand? I mean they do it in other sports. Why not pool?
 
poolchic said:
It just dawned on me about the t.v.match between EArl and Corey. When Earl obviously fouled and the ref missed it. Earl got the ruleing to his benefit. It is unfortunate but what do you do??
Why didn't they go to the replay and give Corey the ball in hand? I mean they do it in other sports. Why not pool?
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The foul you are referring to was earl and charlie.
 
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