Do people in Oklahoma understrand the NUMBERING SYSTEM from 4-10, and do Bars say RUN 6's and Under Tournys, or is it all open play, with Handicaps?
Arizona RANK System
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Do people in Oklahoma understrand the NUMBERING SYSTEM from 4-10, and do Bars say RUN 6's and Under Tournys, or is it all open play, with Handicaps?
their ratings system is alot like ours here. i grew up in the tulsa area and pool there is nothing like pool here. if i didnt have a daughter here id move back just for their pool scene. no one there cries about rating they just get up and play.
there are tons more tournys here but i prefer the way they handle things
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they have rated tournys with hndcps and opens.
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The sad thing about pool in Arizona is that so many people talk s**t about everything. Bar owners, ratings, who you should like, who you should not like. It really kills the community. That is why we don't even have a state tournament here. The people that do nothing but talk crap are the same ones that spend every day tearing down pool in AZ. Every ratings meeting is open to anyone that has a problem or a question, but people don't do anything about it. Instead of going straight to the meetings and bringing up these issues to the committee, people just ***** and complain to everyone that they know about their issues
Jerry, I think it is great what you do for pool in AZ. You are one of the few people that come on and actually try to make a difference. I love pool in Arizona. There is a tournament every night that I can go and play in and I think that is because of the ratings committee and what they do for pool. Whether it be the A, B, C system or the rating system we have people should support it or go to the ratings meeting and do something about it to change it.
Jerry, I think it is great what you do for pool in AZ. You are one of the few people that come on and actually try to make a difference. I love pool in Arizona. There is a tournament every night that I can go and play in and I think that is because of the ratings committee and what they do for pool. Whether it be the A, B, C system or the rating system we have people should support it or go to the ratings meeting and do something about it to change it.
This sounds right to me. I would be in that Tuesaday tourney if I was out there. I do not know what the AZ prior ranking is to the current but I would have to take a shot at the big dogs 5-3 or 5-4 I do not know what I would be but I would have to jump in somewhere. And I would like the extra players in the tourneys bring on the players.
I understand the original poster but I think the mega increment handicapping is too subjective and not good for pool. I think the best players should have a chance to win the same as the lesser players. I think ranking should be a little more deliberate and understandable.
Here in Indy the tourney I just played in was broke up into 2/3 4/5 6/7 and Super 7 and the bottom two groups were pretty much each guarenteed a finisher at a certain level of the cash. I do not know how it is but I think it effect the calcutta. Very few of the bangers go for much but are going to have a top 4 finisher for one of the 2/3 players sounds good I'm sure but then I think it effects how much the top players go for because only one of them will have a top 4 spot. You have a field of 10 or 12 bangers going for 5 to 20 a player and then you have the top players min bid 20 10 dollar incremnts, I think I would buy the best bangers 2.3 and 4/5 and probably make some money but I would hate watching my horses run. The need to handicap is rough and no matter what you will not please everyone.
Hmmm....
A point that seems to be missed by 99.999999% of all 6s is that it actually takes practice to play to an 8,9,10 level....Do you really think Mitch just gets up and plays 10-1 speed on a whim...
Add to that........Most of the 8,9 and 10 rated players also have jobs....so thier speed of play WILL fluctuate from night to night and week to week.
6s have the luxury of not having to practice (if they so choose) and can get drunk as a skunk (if they so choose) and still can get only go to 3 games......reality is that a 6 can get on the hill in as little as 2 shots........(make a 9-ball and a snap on the break)
BTW.....Jerry it will not take me two years to figure out that it is harder NOW for me (as an 8) to cash in an 8 and under than it did before I was bumped to a 9.....From what I have seen there are quite a few more 6s that can run out from the (missed or lucked safe 4 or 5 ball) then there were before... In the old system I had a better chance because the race was just a bit longer and gave me more room for error.... I am just gald I can actually play in more than one tournament a week!!!!
MOST 8s (and 9s for that matter) will make at least 3 mistakes in a race to 5...(If you don't belive me just count some time on a tuesday night)
A 6 only needs ONE mistake to get on the hill...
BTW.....Seems like against me....just about all 6s are 5 ball out 10-2s lately.....:wink:
A point that seems to be missed by 99.999999% of all 6s is that it actually takes practice to play to an 8,9,10 level....Do you really think Mitch just gets up and plays 10-1 speed on a whim...
Add to that........Most of the 8,9 and 10 rated players also have jobs....so thier speed of play WILL fluctuate from night to night and week to week.
6s have the luxury of not having to practice (if they so choose) and can get drunk as a skunk (if they so choose) and still can get only go to 3 games......reality is that a 6 can get on the hill in as little as 2 shots........(make a 9-ball and a snap on the break)
BTW.....Jerry it will not take me two years to figure out that it is harder NOW for me (as an 8) to cash in an 8 and under than it did before I was bumped to a 9.....From what I have seen there are quite a few more 6s that can run out from the (missed or lucked safe 4 or 5 ball) then there were before... In the old system I had a better chance because the race was just a bit longer and gave me more room for error.... I am just gald I can actually play in more than one tournament a week!!!!
MOST 8s (and 9s for that matter) will make at least 3 mistakes in a race to 5...(If you don't belive me just count some time on a tuesday night)
A 6 only needs ONE mistake to get on the hill...
BTW.....Seems like against me....just about all 6s are 5 ball out 10-2s lately.....:wink:
I don't know what bars do, as I don't frequent bars. When I talk about these tourneys, I am talking strictly about where it really matters and that is the only pool scene in town...... Magoo's.
There are the monthly, weekly, and occasional open like the midwest, the ob cues ladies, and NCS or other qualifiers. Gabe Owen is having a huge one pocket tournament in FEB where many of the who's who of one pocket should be there. It is nice to have Gabe around especially after making such a great name for himself.
If you want to look at what tournaments we have, go to Magoo's website
Ken, I completely agree with you. 6's are no joke now. Giving them a couple games in a short race is very difficult. I guess we can be glad that so many of the 5 and 6's mentality is that they have no chance so they don't show up. We might never get in the money again.
TAP TAP TAP!!! btw, we do have a couple different state tournaments that are run in conjunction with the Desert Classic Tour. And the State AZBCA should be coming up in April
For now on can you all do me a favor. Whenever you hear someone saying something negative or uninformed about the Rating System can you just ask them what the committee responded with when they asked their questions at the Rating Meeting?
Imagine what we could do if more people were positive and actually wanted to help grow the sport. Let's start at home and maybe something can catch on nationally.
Happy Holidays!
Surely you're joking? Co-operation between promoters, players, bars, sanctioning bodies:shocked2:? Heresy I say!
Like any idea, it takes someone of vision to make it happen. As they say, every journey, no matter how long or short, begins with the first step. If you take it, the rest of AZ might follow. I'll join.
Lyn
You mean ideas like this to help grow the sport?
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The Next Rating Meeting is at Kitty's in Phoenix, AZ, on January 10th, 2010 at Noon.
The meetings usually last about 2 hours time.
Like always the meetings are open to the public.
The first order of business is to hear from any players that feel that they are over rated and would like to be lowered. Their stories are heard and the entire committee chimes in with knowledge of this player and then a vote is taken.
Next we'll go over any new business or follow-up topics.
Then we'll go through each rooms list of new add's and raise recommendations.
Then any open or pressing issues will be discussed, and the final order of every meeting is choosing which room will host the next meeting.
The meetings usually last about 2 hours time.
Like always the meetings are open to the public.
The first order of business is to hear from any players that feel that they are over rated and would like to be lowered. Their stories are heard and the entire committee chimes in with knowledge of this player and then a vote is taken.
Next we'll go over any new business or follow-up topics.
Then we'll go through each rooms list of new add's and raise recommendations.
Then any open or pressing issues will be discussed, and the final order of every meeting is choosing which room will host the next meeting.
