Artistic Pool Players: Staging a revolt?

From what I have heard over the years, Segal has been divisive from the start, and has wanted to take control over all aspects of trick shooting. Some of the previous players no longer compete because of his actions.

http://www.worldsnooker.com/corporate/world-snooker-directors/barry-hearn-chairman/

http://www.worldsnooker.com/hearn-announces-new-five-year-plan/

http://www.worldsnooker.com/corporate/corporate-one/


This is how it is done , democratic sports or game orgs. don't usually exist when they are founded by an individual and he is still living . Steve Davis and a couple of other ex-players are on the board of World Snooker , i bet they don't piss in Barry Hearn's gravy .
 
Artistic Pool Players? Really? They're trick shot performers. It's like calling a janitor a custodial engineer.

There's nothing wrong with being these things in life so why not call it what it is instead of trying to create some aura about it using a more interesting name. It's like guys that have little peckers driving monster trucks, over compensation.

Yes we Artistic pool players, trick shots is just one portion of the competition the other 7 disciples are skilled shot. We are artist on a pool table we are also entertainers. There is no "trick to what we do"

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God knows why they joined WPA in the first place.

I hope they go it alone. They'd stand a better chance of making things move forward in the sport.


The WPA does not inflict any particular laws on them. The artistic association is self-governing. This is an internal dispute between certain players and the WPA-Sanctioned Artistic organization.
 
If there is one thing I hate, it's pool trick shots. If they're two things I hate it's pool trick shots and the people who do them.

Artistic Pool Players? Really? They're trick shot performers. It's like calling a janitor a custodial engineer.

Hmm, considering that Artistic Pool draws larger crowds and is the last pool still on television, you'd think we pool players would have a more open mind about what's making it popular. But I guess there's a certain satisfaction in taking Tradition to the grave.

I thought the players' action/vote/letter was very well organized and the letter was well written. I particularly appreciated how they showed the exact vote on each issue and noted areas where they disagreed amongst themselves.

Most of the issues are the same as regular pool issues: there's not enough money so we have to be careful about where/how it's spent. Sounds familiar.
 
Trick shot videos probably generate 10 times more views than all the standard game videos combined on youtube, facebook etc.
Colin
Yeah because all the hacks watching that shit are thinking making 3 balls in one shot looks so much cooler then making the long straight in shot in an actual competitive match when the latter is actually worlds more difficult.

Part of the reason why our sport is in the shithole.
 
Tom Rossman has never ran a "Janky" event. The players involved in the letter to the WPA have their own opinion. It is neither bad nor good, but to bad mouth one of the founding fathers of Artistic Pool is pretty low. Please do not judge knowing only a very small piece of the story. This is a sport that takes skill and concentration, and it is the bridge between three cushion and regular pool. There are Trick Shots and skill shots........the set up shots granted are easier but the harder shots in each discipline are incredibly difficult. The top 16 players in this sport maybe more can play 8 ball and 9 ball very well. In fact most of us came from a pool background before even shooting a Trick Shot. You really need to temper your remarks you haven't been there.

Did you actually read the letter?

If Tom is a saint who should be thanked for his efforts, ( which he might very well be) then why do 18 people want to see him gone so bad ? Surely they didn't make up a bunch of issues for the fun of it.

Personally I don't know Tom and have no idea if any of these issues are directly related to him, but I can't help but wonder why he is being called out specifically if he did nothing wrong.

Maybe we should get Tom on the phone ?
 
Without Tom Rossman and what he's done for artistic pool from the amateur level on up to the pros, half these guys might not be playing in the first place.
I think Florian played his first ever tournament in the USA in the Dr Cue Cup in Connecticut.

Some of the points they make are valid and need to be discussed but some of these guys have no manners and no respect for what and who paved the way for them to even have world championships and other tournaments in artistic pool.
 
If there is one thing I hate, it's pool trick shots. If they're two things I hate it's pool trick shots and the people who do them.

Mosconi, Fats, Massey, and others did trick shots at exhibitions. I guess you hate them too?
 

The plot has hardly thickened. That website is NOT new. Furthermore, all of the text within that press release is merely copied and pasted from Tom's monthly newsletter but instead with a the title: "Artistic Pool Launches New Website".

I know this to be fact because the exact newsletter was sent to my personal email just 2 days ago. If you look carefully at the bottom, you'll notice the following: "If you would like to be removed from our mailing list, please send request to: drcue@artisticpool.org"
 
From what I have heard over the years, Segal has been divisive from the start, and has wanted to take control over all aspects of trick shooting. Some of the previous players no longer compete because of his actions.

That is what I recall reading as well. He's the one who pushes his TV competitions towards all the prop-based stuff, whereas Rossman's tries to limit that, if I recall.

And I may be wrong, the the TV stuff is primarily Segal and his cronies. The Artistic group is separate from that. Segal dictates the whole TV thing. Again, if I recall correctly, Florian had a lot of push back before getting on TV, and even then couldn't do a lot of "his stuff"...

This boils down to Segal vs Rossman to me.
 
I quick update on this subject

We have just published an update to this saga between the 'player's board' and the WPA-APD.

5 Players have been suspended for 3 years. Read more here:
http://www.povpool.com/a-ban-of-brothers/
 

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Didn't the 'players board' say that if one of them were punished, they would all assume the same punishment?

which would mean 18 players banned.....?
 
Didn't the 'players board' say that if one of them were punished, they would all assume the same punishment?

which would mean 18 players banned.....?

From what we were told, the APD called all the players on the phone with the exception of the 5 that were on the letter to Jamaica Joe's and 'talked' them into backing out of the boycott, stating that many of the requests in the original letter to the APD were being 'looked at'.

At this point, we do not know how many of the 18 players remain and although their solidarity is questionable there are still actions being taken in the background by the '5' suspended to either appeal or argue the decision. As far as I can see, this is is far from over. I find it very interesting that the 5 suspended players, all but Dave Nagle are in the Top 10 WPA Artistic World Rankings, which would provide additional breathing room for interested parties boost their own world status and motives in the artistic community.

What we have are 13 original players (who, later came to be 18 players), wrote a formal letter to the APD asking for changes and/or a response within a reasonable timeline. This 'Union' or 'Player's Board' seemed a natural progression in the face of frustrations by its members who have invested their time and money to compete with each other. I guess if you had no way of submitting your ideas or feedback to make something better or more fair, you'd do the same thing.

It's funny that, no actions or changes are addressed until a s**tstorm like this happens for the APD to finally look at their own format/s, but THEN suspend 5 top ranking players on the 'player's board' for originating the issues in the first place, using the Jamaica Joe's letter as the catalyst for suspension.


Keep Loving Pool!
 
I've known Tom Rossman as a player, performer, and friend since 1992, and there's one thing I know for sure: a more honest and dedicated man in pool does not exist. If it were not for Tom's efforts, I don't think artistic pool would ever have grown to the extent that it has. Tom and his era of co-competitors like Mike Massey, Stefano Pelinga, Spitball Charlie and others, are the ones who made that program something of interest. The disgruntled 18 of today can boycott every tournament from here on in and I don't think anyone will even notice.
 
I find it very interesting that the 5 suspended players, all but Dave Nagle are in the Top 10 WPA Artistic World Rankings, which would provide additional breathing room for interested parties boost their own world status and motives in the artistic community.

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Interesting? More like a very manipulative divide & conquer strategy by the APD for all the reasons you mentioned. Hey lower ranked players if you break from the Boycott we will remove those guys that keep winning all the events so you can grab the headlines, money, rankings. Quite a smart, if not really devious, strategy on the APD's part.
 
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