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Ted Harris said:
Again, I beg to differ. I use them every day, and have for three years. Currently, I have about 300 of them hanging around on about their 5th or 6th turn. Laminated fronts and handles add another level of stability to cuemkaing. They are at least as stable as non-laminated straight grain maple. They are heavier, but I just compensate with with my selection of materials. I target all of my cues to weigh 19 oz without a weight screw. If a customer requests a different weight during the ordering process, I then manipulate the weight of the handles and fronts to achieve the desired weight. It is nice to be able to make a cue weigh any weight without adding a weight screw.

Like I said whatever works for you. It ain't broke. It to me in my opinion, changes the feel and hit of the cue. Nothing wrong with change. I just like what I am doing and will not change. been doing it this way for 30 plus years, it ain't broke either.
blud
 
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Tommy-D said:
> Will you describe this internal grinding technique,along with the required tooling? A thread mill perhaps? At first I thought about emailing you and hitting you up for one of your joint pins,but actually having one so I can copy it would be pointless,LOL. I learn a LOT from posts like these here and on the other forums,provided we can keep all the childish crap to a bare minimum. I have MANY questions,perhaps we can converse this weekend,school and work pretty much take up all my time during the week. Thanks again,Tommy.

Tommy in your PM to me you ask about internal threads.
It is as using a single point threading tool. I do not like the single point because of the viberation it causes. [ off center balance]it's got a point only on one side of it. The tool i use has four cutting edges as if it was like or simular to a slot cutter. But it's only about .300ths, in total dia. with a long shank and runs real steady.
blud
 
Blud, am not trying to start a war but don't you think the ACA should have a more stringent guidlines in their membership?
I know one local maker who was invited in. He makes fine q's. They passed around one of his q's and check the inlay work. None of them tried to hit with it or even tap it to check/listen if it's a well-built cue.
Or how about current cuemakers who make fake vintage q's? Should they be banned?
 
Joseph Cues said:
Blud, am not trying to start a war but don't you think the ACA should have a more stringent guidlines in their membership?
I know one local maker who was invited in. He makes fine q's. They passed around one of his q's and check the inlay work. None of them tried to hit with it or even tap it to check/listen if it's a well-built cue.
Or how about current cuemakers who make fake vintage q's? Should they be banned?

Joseph cues, please clarify the last statement? I would think that cuemakers that intentionally fake vintage cues and try to sell them as vintage cues would be banned. But I don't know any currently that do that. But I happen to like the stylings of vintage cues. In fact I think anyone that cannot make a short splice should be banned from the ACA.

Joe
 
Joe, fake Szambotis and Bushkas exist I am told by two of my friends who are huge collectors. They even named which maker make the fakes ones.
There's a player at Hard Times who even sells fake Gus's.
Why would an ACA member have to make short splice? For that matter, why does he have to do inlays? It is after all a cuemakers' association not cue artists.
Mike, I have no website but I expect one within a year.
 
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Joseph Cues said:
Blud, am not trying to start a war but don't you think the ACA should have a more stringent guidlines in their membership?
I know one local maker who was invited in. He makes fine q's. They passed around one of his q's and check the inlay work. None of them tried to hit with it or even tap it to check/listen if it's a well-built cue.
Or how about current cuemakers who make fake vintage q's? Should they be banned?


Good morning Joseph,
The ACA. Man what a topic.
As the founder, [founding father], I see things done from the outside as an outsider.

I had a lot of help [ by calling others] putting it all together, Joe Porper, Tim Scruggs,John Guffey Thomas Wayne, and others, but mainly my wife, Janice.

She and I worked for over 1-1/2 years getting it all together.
Very big task. BYW, Mr. Tim Scruggs is the only founding member still in the ACA. That should tell us something.

When I was at the helm, [so to speak, president and durning the formation], I made phone calls to "ALL" members every month. Not every other month, but each month. I kept all members up to date on all "ISSUES".

About 1 1/2 years ago, I offered the "history Album of the ACA" to the president. He told me, you had nothing to do with the formation of this Association. I, haerd it was formed by, so and so-------------, and ---------- and --------.... I was ammazed at his tone. My reply was your full of crap. Your the president and you do not know the history of the association that your the head of. Well I sent him the album that I and my wife had made, about it's founding and history along the way.

FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN.
I resigned my post as President for two reasons.
We were at the Hopkins show a few years back when a member got way out of line. He was cussing another member in public along with some of the hotels staff.

Four other members tore down there booth's before the show was over. They had sold out on the second day and went home or just went some place. All who rented booth space shall not tear down untill the end of the show. This was a Hopkins rule and an ACA rule.

The chairman of the ACA, instructed me to look in to both matters and report my findings to him and the board. I did just that.

The board fined the 4 members $50.00 each for an early tear down, one member refussed to pay, so they kicked him out of the ACA. The member who did infact cuss and raise hell[ this was his fourth time] was kept and told to not do these things again. He later did anyway. So, the case of kcking a guy out for not paying for his fine and them keeping the guy who had and continued to have and cause problems, resulted in me resigning from the ACA.

I spent 1-1/2 years putting it together and another 2 terms as president and two terms as vice president. I gave it up because of my honesty.
I as President, reported on my findings. I did report the truth. If it would of been a family member or close friend, all are treated the same. Report my finding no matter who it was or about what ever. I was told by a board member that I should of altered the report. I said bull $hit.....

This ruling was wrong and they knew it. They a few years back, invited back the member who quit for not paying his fine. Of course, I never contacted or was invited back.

They now have changed the rules that were put in place, and never to be changed.
One of these rules were, as follows.



All officers shall be vote in by the membership only.

No one could be APPOINTED by the BOARD. The board would not ever have this power, unless a member resigned or passed.This was done at our very first meeting in South Carolina. Written in stone.

The reason for this was to keep the board and officers from becoming tainted at the top. [ CLICKISH ] Another words, keep the click out. Let the members have the final say so...

Not that way today.

So now, Joseph you can figure from here why things are done in the manner you were speaking of.

When I resigned, we had 87 full voting members, now they have less than 40. Ever wonder "WHY"???????click click.......

There are a couple of members who do want only 10 or 12 members. Kinda strange, ain't it? Click again.

In all fairness, the ACA is a drawing card for cue buyers and collectors of today. It didn't get that way over night as some now think,.And It's not because the board and or who's running it today.

It's because of all the hard work me and my family along with Joe, Tim, John, and a few others put in years ago.

The ACA, put out a form asking it's members what has the ACA done for you? Several who are members didn't fill out the form. Wonder why, again?

This is why I started my own club, CUEMASTERS, MASTER CUEMAKERS.
All of our members are quality cuemakers. Top knotch. All are treated the same. None are above the others.

RULES, [only 3]
There can only be 12 members, ever.
Takes 80% of the membership to vote one in or out.
Treat all with respect.

Cuemasters list,
Dan Janes, Bill Schick, Tim Scruggs, Joe Poper, Dave Kikel, Nat Green, Paul Motty, Chris Nitti, Andy Gilbert, Mike Webb, Judd Fuller, and Leonard Bludworth.

YOUR FRIEND
BLUD
 
Joseph Cues said:
Joe, fake Szambotis and Bushkas exist I am told by two of my friends who are huge collectors. They even named which maker make the fakes ones.
There's a player at Hard Times who even sells fake Gus's.
Why would an ACA member have to make short splice? For that matter, why does he have to do inlays? It is after all a cuemakers' association not cue artists.
Mike, I have no website but I expect one within a year.

Joseph,

I am very much aware of the counterfeiting of Gus Szambotis and George Balabushkas. I know very early on this was a big problem. There are a few cuemakers now that make cues of similar styles but sign them or do them differently enough that they could not be mistaken for originals.
Why would a cuemaker have to make short splices? Because IMHO to be a "cuemaker" worthy of an organization such as this, they would have to be versed in an array of styles. Just because I can change my oil I would never think of myself as a mechanic.

Joe
 
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classiccues said:
Joseph,

I am very much aware of the counterfeiting of Gus Szambotis and George Balabushkas. I know very early on this was a big problem. There are a few cuemakers now that make cues of similar styles but sign them or do them differently enough that they could not be mistaken for originals.
Why would a cuemaker have to make short splices? Because IMHO to be a "cuemaker" worthy of an organization such as this, they would have to be versed in an array of styles. Just because I can change my oil I would never think of myself as a mechanic.

Joe


Joe, your correct about fake cues. I have personal knowlege of 3 so called top cuemakers who are high and mighity, who did build "fake" cues and had 2 top pro-players sell them to the Japaneese. Not trust worthy at all.

Two of the three cuemakers are members of there association.


As founder of the ACA, I have first hand info, on what should and what should not pass for being excepted in the club..

When the ACA, was formed, we at that time had not rules of ability in cuemaking. We started working on guide lines shortly there after.


What it takes to be a qualified cuemaker?
This could be debated for years and never settled.


Spliced cues does not make him a cuemaker.
If this were the fact of the matter, several of there members would not be members today.
What if one cuemaker excelled in floating points or he made flat bottom points that did come to a very sharpe point at the top. What then?

CNC, what if a guy does his inlays with a panamill, it's the same machine as the CNC. Just not automated. Now, if he takes a pan-miil or CNC point and craves his points to a sharpe point, what about that. Should the CNC guy be disqualified for having CNC, or should the panamill guy?

[I PERSONALY MAKE ALL THREE TYPES, OLD STYLE VEE POINTS, FLAT BOTTOM POINTS WITH ROUNDED ENDS, AND FLAT BOTTOM POINTS THAT DO HAVE VERY SHARPE POINTS AT THE TOP]. Any of these point should pass the test.......

The ACA's rules should apply to one and all. They do not.

Worthy to be come a member of the ACA. This I question?


Some of there members "can not" build full or 1/2 spliced points.
{I elect not to name them, but they know who they are}. CLICK< CLICK, again........So, how are they worthy of being a member?

Workmanship should be of main importance, for membership.Should the paly playability be considered? This is again an opinion of several when it comes to the playability of cues. One may like the hit another may not. I think this should be decided by the buyer, and not by the association. Not sure what the rule is on this.

Workmanship in my way of thinking is tops on the list, [if there is a list that fits all]........
I have personally seen a cue, that one of there either current or past officers built that is in no way a good piece of work. The points were not in alignment and were short at the base, on two sides, by at least .100thousandts. I was told he was on the approval commette for workmanship. Really..

This cue was on display at strouds first show, in New mexico..

With this kind of workmanship being displayed, how can or should they judge anyone elses work, for quality. Another CLICK, CLICK.

Most of them will not speak the truth, because it will cost them sales.

I would much rather speak the truth, than lie or not be truthful when offering my products. If it cost me a sale or sales for being up front and honest, so be it.

In my opinion, anyone who sells, buys or trades with knowlege of falsehoods, is just as much at fault as the other guy.


For the most part, cues are sold when the sales person can make more money on this or that cue. He talks it up and this is the best cue, then the buyer looks at another cue, same story, this is the best cue, and on and on and...........

Let the buyer decide what is best suited for him or her. Touch, feel, balance, hit, price.

Not trying to start a fuss or world war. Just my opinion......

BTW, out of the original group of cuemaking founnding members, [ there was 8 of us] only one is left. Tim Scruggs. Ever wonder why the rest have went away, or some have joined my new club? BTW, Tim is also a member of Cuemasters.

In all fairness the ACA has some outstanding craftsman, and the club is a drawing card.

rock away
blud
 
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billfishhead said:
whens the next hew orleans show ?


I guess your refering to the BCA show that was held in new orleans a couple years back. Don't know what there plans are. I think this will be my last year to dis-play with the bca. seriously considering it.
blud
 
dang it blud,,,,,,,,,,i thought fl, ptm and i could all get together with you and pick straws for a tag team event,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lol,,,,,,jk
 
Hello, Blud. I'm wondering what your opinion is of the Uniloc joint. I seem to see it on more or cues. Pardon me if you've already responded to a similar question.
Thanks in advance.
 
top spin

Top Spin said:
Hello, Blud. I'm wondering what your opinion is of the Uniloc joint. I seem to see it on more or cues. Pardon me if you've already responded to a similar question.
Thanks in advance.


Hey spin, I do not use the uni-lock. it works for some folks but not for me. I develpoed my own pin yrs ago. It hasn't failed me as yet. In my opinion, anything that's quick and easy, ain't worth it's weight, and lazy people take the easy way out, and those who can't develop for themselves are copy-cats. In it just for the cash.

I take pride in my advances with my ideas and products.

[BTW the uni-lock, in my opinion adds to much weight to the cue]. I do my best to maintain the weight in a cue with the woods natural weight. They play much better that way. Remember, anything god grew, man has screwed up. So, keep as close to natural as possible.
blud
 
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Joseph Cues said:
Blud, do you see any value to this for veneer-facing?
http://cuecomponents.com/90devebl.html
They try to hide the real angle and might have slipped and wrote 87 degrees.
Do you sell a small mill for v-point cutting btw?
How's the two lathe projects coming along?
Thanks.

Hi Joseph, Those two products are way to expensive for me.
I have an 8" total 90degree blade with 3/4 " skirts. [3/4 each side of the carbide points]. Haven't sold one of late need to check the new price from my supplier.......sorry.....

Yes, I do sell a tool for cutting deep VEE points. $185.00
The veneer jig I use and sell, [ 4 of them per set], sells for $60.00..
Whoever wrote all that, 87 degrees needs lessons, and are full of bull.
All a fellows got to do is cut the vglued up venners at a 90degree, fold them and glue them up in my jig, and they will be perfect every time.

I know of a top end-cuemaker who cuts the VEE at 89 degrees and cuts the venners at 90 degrees. This is also bull shit. I taught the guy how to cut, fold, jig mount, and glue them up. And now he has an air pocket next to his vee. Not much of one but a little air there. Not a very good fit. He thinks this will make it tighter, more bull shit.
When i taught him, he was glueing only one set of veneers and glueing that set in and only one a day. When he left here, he was doing 8 per-day. now he's smarter than i. Right, sure not.........Don't think so. But typical cuemakers, you show them how to, and all of the sudden they invented the wheel and stainless steel the same day.

blud
 
blud said:
Hi Joseph, Those two products are way to expensive for me.
I have an 8" total 90degree blade with 3/4 " skirts. [3/4 each side of the carbide points]. Haven't sold one of late need to check the new price from my supplier.......sorry.....

Yes, I do sell a tool for cutting deep VEE points. $185.00
The veneer jig I use and sell, [ 4 of them per set], sells for $60.00..
Whoever wrote all that, 87 degrees needs lessons, and are full of bull.
All a fellows got to do is cut the vglued up venners at a 90degree, fold them and glue them up in my jig, and they will be perfect every time.

blud

Ah shit... I had a reply typed out, and I hit a wrong key command, and now it's gone, I’ll try to recreate...

Blud,
Would you be able to post (or email) pictures of the tool for cutting deep VEE points and the veneer jig, so I would know exactly what they are/do, so as to make sure I don't already have something like it... I have an indexer, milling machine, (getting the 90 degree bit soon, what type would you suggest; horizontal or vertical), and will be making a "table" for the indexer/tail stop that will go in the milling machine vise, so I can just off set that (repeatability), but if that is what your tool for VEE groves is. I’ll just buy one (and not taking a chance of screwing anything up :D) let the good people know :P, I’m very interested... and I have an idea for a machine that I might go over with you via phone, or in person at the expo (if I can go) and see what you think, I want to eventually have a "shop" full of specialized machinery that I made my self (or had an experienced genius to do it for me).

Thanks

Jon
 
I second Jon's request.
Also, would it include a broach type jig so one can hit the right holes on the forearm so that remilling would be easy?
Thanks again Blud. As always.
That sounds like a hell of a deal.
 
Joseph Cues said:
I second Jon's request.
Also, would it include a broach type jig so one can hit the right holes on the forearm so that remilling would be easy?
Thanks again Blud. As always.
That sounds like a hell of a deal.


Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. What he said!!! :eek: ;) :cool: :D

Oh yeah, i had the first post on the 5th page... YIPEE!!!

I wonder why people whisper to each other about me being "Special"... what do they mean by that... i might oughta got mad... :mad: :confused:
 
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