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Positively Ralf

Positively Ralf

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I recall reading something regarding Raymond Ceuelmans and Harold Worst. You said that these two guys had the best solid stance at a table you ever got a chance to witness with Steve Mizerak and Buddy Hall a very distant third to either of them. Does that opinion still stand considering some of today's players? Or do today's players still not hold a candle to Worst and Ceuelmans?
 
Can't compare eras. Nothing to see here...move on. Who had a better swing? Ted Williams or Ken Griffey, Jr.? Both were sweet and got the job done at a very high level. IMO, one is not better than the other. Ted's eyesight was off the charts which was a HUGE advantage.
 
rexus31 said:
Can't compare eras. Nothing to see here...move on. Who had a better swing? Ted Williams or Ken Griffey, Jr.? Both were sweet and got the job done at a very high level. IMO, one is not better than the other. Ted's eyesight was off the charts which was a HUGE advantage.
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Well said. The comparison is near impossible.

Ted Williams, Geroge Brett, Ken Giffey Jr are all the same. In their respective eras, they had swings to die for and used those swings to outperform nearly all of their peers and to produce otherwordly results. They're all equals in my books.

I think similar logic applies when we compare pool players. I did not watch Ceuelmans in his prime and never saw Harold Worst play, but I often watched Buddy Hall, Steve Mizerak and Jose Parica. To me, they're all equals.
 
No love for Tony Gwinn?? WTF?? Two facts about him are just insane: he only struck-out 430 times in TWENTY years and his average with two strikes on him was over .300. Griffey may have been prettier to watch but TG was imo a better hitter. As for pool? I got to see Buddy play quite a bit and i can't imagine having a better stance/bridge/stoke than him.
 
garczar said:
No love for Tony Gwinn?? WTF?? Two facts about him are just insane: he only struck-out 430 times in TWENTY years and his average with two strikes on him was over .300. Griffey may have been prettier to watch but TG was imo a better hitter. As for pool? I got to see Buddy play quite a bit and i can't imagine having a better stance/bridge/stoke than him.
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Agree, Gwynn was great; one of my all-time favorites. Gwynn was not the same type of hitter Teddy Ballgame and The Kid were. While Gwynn hit for very high average, Williams and Griffey, Jr. had the ability to hit for high average and for power.
 
garczar said:
No love for Tony Gwinn?? WTF?? Two facts about him are just insane: he only struck-out 430 times in TWENTY years and his average with two strikes on him was over .300. Griffey may have been prettier to watch but TG was imo a better hitter. As for pool? I got to see Buddy play quite a bit and i can't imagine having a better stance/bridge/stoke than him.
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No doubt, I favored the ones I'd watched most often. Tony Gwynn was incredible, too. Another guy who was amazing when on two strikes, even better than Gwynn if memory serves, was Wade Boggs.
 
garczar said:
No love for Tony Gwinn?? WTF?? Two facts about him are just insane: he only struck-out 430 times in TWENTY years and his average with two strikes on him was over .300. Griffey may have been prettier to watch but TG was imo a better hitter. As for pool? I got to see Buddy play quite a bit and i can't imagine having a better stance/bridge/stoke than him.
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those stats are simply AMAZING 😳😳😳😳😱😱😱😱
i had to repeat your post garczar
since i never knew that
carry on men
sorry for the digression
 
rexus31 said:
Agree, Gwynn was great; one of my all-time favorites. Gwynn was not the same type of hitter Teddy Ballgame and The Kid were. While Gwynn hit for very high average, Williams and Griffey, Jr. had the ability to hit for high average and for power.
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Greg Maddux once said something to the effect that if a pitcher can change speeds, every hitter is helpless, "Except for that (expletive) Tony Gwynn"
 
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sjm said:
Well said. The comparison is near impossible.

Ted Williams, Geroge Brett, Ken Giffey Jr are all the same. In their respective eras, they had swings to die for and used those swings to outperform nearly all of their peers and to produce otherwordly results. They're all equals in my books.

I think similar logic applies when we compare pool players. I did not watch Ceuelmans in his prime and never saw Harold Worst play, but I often watched Buddy Hall, Steve Mizerak and Jose Parica. To me, they're all equals.
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Brett and Griffey were great players, but no one hit for average and power like Wiliams. He also missed 6 prime years due to service in WWII and Korea.
 
Mich said:
Brett and Griffey were great players, but no one hit for average and power like Wiliams. He also missed 6 prime years due to service in WWII and Korea.
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Well said.

Yeah, one of the great ifs. Williams' numbers would likely have been comparable to those of Babe Ruth. It's similar to the question of how much greater a legacy Muhammad Ali would have had if he hadn't been a draft evader. Both are still remembered as all-time greats of their respective sports, but in each case, we can never know what might have been.
 
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