AZ Billiards Cuemakers

[shakes]

I think what he is trying to say

I believe what Arnot is trying to say is that this was originally started for/by Blud to give back information that he and other established cuemakers have found by trial and error, and he would like to see what information is coming from who.

I'm not a cuemaker, I only play one in my mind. I have learned quite a bit of information here and it helps me to keep from wasting my time on some mistakes I would have made. Others I test out to make sure that they are mistakes, and make sure I can't make it work because the theory seems sound to me even if someone else couldn't do it.

I don't contribute very often, because I am very conscientious about saying something I don't feel strongly that I am correct about. Some people do not have that "switch" and will proliferate anything they heard someone mention they heard from some other person. It is nice to know what cuemaker is giving their opinion on which subject. While Blud is easy to identify, qmakr and qmaker are also easy to get confused without a signature line. Then you have to go back and see which one is the real Joel Hercek. (Joel actually has his name in his signature, BUT if he didn't you could see the problem).

Mr. Wadsworth is much further along than I in the cuemaking world as he has actually produced cues, hehehe, so his interests are probably much further along than mine. Thus he might want to skip some topics I start, or immediately go to a topic that qmakr starts.

Just an opinion from someone who is still learning from everyone.

~Marc Lomas
~A Nobody who knows Nothing

 

[Cue Crazy]

Just to be clear, so anything i have said is not misunderstood. I do not feel as if the question was not legit or did not have merit, and in no way was trying to be desrespectfull. I aggree it would be nice to know who is who. I was simply explaining My reasoning for not posting My contact info, and that it could be obtained if someone needed to get in contact with me. Personally I have no secrets, even the ebarasing ones , but i am not interesting in posting all of them .
As far as others I suppose they have their reasons as well, but I am just trying to respect their privacy in My thinking plain and simple. I do however not aggree with bashing of someone and hiding behind a user ID or anything of that nature though. I just think that user Id's on the web were put in place for a reason, and that is the individuals choice, but don't aggree with taking advantage of that.

Seems to me that there might be alittle of reading in to things too much going on, but It is true that this was started with Blud, as more of a Q&A on cues, it was & I feel is still a great forum. Personally I like what it has turned into, and I think alot of valuble info would be lost If people were afraid to post or were run off. Do you have to read between the lines ?, well yes, sometimes You do, and have to take what you read with a grain of salt. But If you put 10 established makers in a room, altough there would be things they would certainly aggree on, I bet there will atleast be more then a few that they would not. And whos to say things are any different then they use to be, I know enough to know that some of the established makers were given some bad info in their day, from what I heard (more hearsay) some was intentional, I would rather get bad info by mistake, and figure it out from there, then to have someone send me down the wrong path on purpose. if someones says It's their opinion, or something is hearsay, then I just don't see an issue, it happens everyday in almost every conversation. By all means choose to take the advice of the person that's opinion You trust the most, that's the way it should be, but I don't count anyone out, and try to use an educated guess from all information when seeking advice or obtaining ideas.

Aggreed It's Possible that this forum has turned into something not originally planned, and possible it should be seperated if that's what some think, but I would hate to see it lost altogether, as I have gained so much from It. possibly a new catagory?

BTW, Hadj you should know Me, but incase you have'nt figured it out by now, I was just jerking your chains Bud,

Peace everyone,
Greg C

 

[hadjcues]

, you know who I am, My background, where I live, and how to get ahold of me if you need to. You probably know more about me then I know about You. I even Have My picture up, and I'm not a very purdy fella I don't see many others with their Mug up on here. Btw One of My user Id's on other forums is Gforce, what's wrong with that fella

If someone tells me how to change My user ID, I would gladly put My name Up in place of it, but I really am not interested in being put on any list if that's what this is really about.

I do not run an open shop here yet, and can not handle the flow of people that want to come by all the time, so that is another factor. When I am ready for such, I will make My doors open.

As far as accountability, well I'm not sure It's the same thing, but I try to use phrases like it's My understanding, IMO, I'm not an expert in this area, this is hearsay, or what have you when I'm not sure about a paticular subject. as far as My qualifications and how Long I've been at It, I believe I have stated that on here plenty of times. I have nothing to hide. My customers are happy with My work, and that's all I really care about. I'm not out to win any popularity contest, altough I do apprietiate all the good advice I have been given, so I try to pass the torch from time to time, when the same ol same ol questions come up.
Personally I don't want to run off the lesser known people here, because some of the info they leave is just as valuble as the better known makers. I've received good and bad info from both established and non established, so I make the final judgment for Myself based on what I know to be fact. I try to think for Myself alittle bit atleast . I've received good info at one time or another, from just about everyone that posts here on a regular basis, so I feel everyone has something to contribute, and if they don't want to share their info, I feel that is their right in an open forum. This is just My opinion.

Peace
Sincerly GC Colbert

Ey bud... I know who you are no question about that... peace out!

 

[Mase]

I just wonder why the cuemakers in this forum do not post their contact information in their post or in their public profile?

Sometimes I want to get in contact with one of you and find it difficult.

If you are going to reply to the Ask the Cuemaker questions I think you should provide contact information. Just my opinion.

I agree with you Arnot and have changed my signature to reflect that.

 

[bandido]

I just wonder why the cuemakers in this forum do not post their contact information in their post or in their public profile?

Sometimes I want to get in contact with one of you and find it difficult.

This isn't a big deal. If it'll help you out then I'm sure people here will.

If you are going to reply to the Ask the Cuemaker questions I think you should provide contact information. Just my opinion.

Is this for credibility? The bigger the name, the more important the post?
Personally, I don't let the poster's name weigh in on the contents of the post. I've picked up a lot of good info from new cue guy than established guy. A lot of the new guys experiment quite a bit and incorporate knowledge from their previous work experiences for lack of guidance from the more experienced ones. It is a known and accepted fact that a lot of the cuebuilding systems are held secret due to the hard work associated in coming up with those systems or trade contacts.

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

Better Cues

This isn't a big deal. If it'll help you out then I'm sure people here will.

I don't have a clue what the above statements means.


Is this for credibility? The bigger the name, the more important the post?
Personally, I don't let the poster's name weigh in on the contents of the post. I've picked up a lot of good info from new cue guy than established guy. A lot of the new guys experiment quite a bit and incorporate knowledge from their previous work experiences for lack of guidance from the more experienced ones. It is a known and accepted fact that a lot of the cuebuilding systems are held secret due to the hard work associated in coming up with those systems or trade contacts.

I pay more attention to what people do than what they say and regardless of what you say I see that your name is incorporated into your Avatar.

I never said that the bigger the name the more important the post. I never said that the new guy had nothing to contribute but the fact is that we all learn through our experience and new cuemakers don't have years of mistakes and failures behind them to help keep them from making mistakes today. Sometimes I see new cuemakers giving incorrect advise to other new cuemakers and I simply try to correct the situation before it goes too far.

Most people don't accept criticism well (myself included ) and I am sure that I could have been more tactful. I never intended to hurt anyone's feelings.

I have helped many aspiring cuemakers in the past and will continue to do wo in the future. I get calls almost every day from someone asking for help.

The most important thing is that we all build better and better cues.

 

[bandido]

Originally Posted by bandido
This isn't a big deal. If it'll help you out then I'm sure people here will.

I don't have a clue what the above statements means.

It's an answer to your request below.

Sometimes I want to get in contact with one of you and find it difficult.

I pay more attention to what people do than what they say and regardless of what you say I see that your name is incorporated into your Avatar.

I never said that the bigger the name the more important the post. I never said that the new guy had nothing to contribute but the fact is that we all learn through our experience and new cuemakers don't have years of mistakes and failures behind them to help keep them from making mistakes today. Sometimes I see new cuemakers giving incorrect advise to other new cuemakers and I simply try to correct the situation before it goes too far.

Most people don't accept criticism well (myself included ) and I am sure that I could have been more tactful. I never intended to hurt anyone's feelings.

I have helped many aspiring cuemakers in the past and will continue to do wo in the future. I get calls almost every day from someone asking for help.

Correct or incorrect it shouldn't matter who posted it. Post content is supposed to be replied to for what it is. These are just discussions in a discussion board and not to be construed as a personal attack.

The most important thing is that we all build better and better cues.

 

[RSB-Refugee]

I never said that the bigger the name the more important the post. I never said that the new guy had nothing to contribute but the fact is that we all learn through our experience and new cuemakers don't have years of mistakes and failures behind them to help keep them from making mistakes today. Sometimes I see new cuemakers giving incorrect advise to other new cuemakers and I simply try to correct the situation before it goes too far.

I Have been here a good while now. If you stick around long enough you just know more about the people that post here. You may not have been here when I introduced myself.

I do tips, ferrules, shaft cleaning and conditioning and wraps (linen only so far). I do all of this in a very small community. I can go weeks without a job to do, but when one comes along, I do it well.

I have a son heading to college soon. I signed on a student loan that scares the crap out of me. By the time it is paid, my daughter will be ready to go to college. I don't feel I will be in a position to invest enough to become a cuemaker, for at least 8 years, if ever.

There are posters here that try to keep their identity low key. There is a big name cuemaker here that is like this. I was here a long time before I figured out who he is.

As I see it if one of us less experienced ones says something wrong, it is an opprotunity for someone with more experience to set him straight. Hopefully many others will learn from the lesson.

I enjoy this forum a lot. I've been treated well by everyone. I took great offense to your initial post in this thread. I hope that I read it wrong and you were not trying to be condescending.

Tracy

 

[Arnot Wadsworth]

I Have been here a good while now. If you stick around long enough you just know more about the people that post here. You may not have been here when I introduced myself.

I do tips, ferrules, shaft cleaning and conditioning and wraps (linen only so far). I do all of this in a very small community. I can go weeks without a job to do, but when one comes along, I do it well.

I have a son heading to college soon. I signed on a student loan that scares the crap out of me. By the time it is paid, my daughter will be ready to go to college. I don't feel I will be in a position to invest enough to become a cuemaker, for at least 8 years, if ever.

There are posters here that try to keep their identity low key. There is a big name cuemaker here that is like this. I was here a long time before I figured out who he is.

As I see it if one of us less experienced ones says something wrong, it is an opprotunity for someone with more experience to set him straight. Hopefully many others will learn from the lesson.

I enjoy this forum a lot. I've been treated well by everyone. I took great offense to your initial post in this thread. I hope that I read it wrong and you were not trying to be condescending.

Tracy

I really don't understand how anyone could be offended by my initial post. I just read it again and don't see anything condescending but maybe there there is something there I just don't see:

< I just wonder why the cuemakers in this forum do not post their contact information in their post or in their public profile?

Sometimes I want to get in contact with one of you and find it difficult.

If you are going to reply to the Ask the Cuemaker questions I think you should provide contact information. Just my opinion.>

I have noticed that a few contributors to this forum have agreed with me and I have received a number of phone calls and PM's indicating that quite a number of people agree with me.

Maybe there is something wrong with my writing and reading.

 

[Cue Crazy]

It is easy to read to deep into things I suppose, and must admitt, maybe I did the same. In all fairness, I have to let It be known that Arnot was recently near where I live, and mentioned He would have liked to meet. Had I known this before I would have gladly met with him to play a few racks and talk shop had He Pm'ed me and let me know. I guess he felt If My contact info was posted that would have been easier. Anyway this adds some truth to what he mentioned, so I thought It needed to be said.

For Arnot- I know I gave You alittle info, but may have held back alittle due not enough space in the Pm., and I guess You may have not been on here when I mentioned these things before in the past, so I will fill you in. Building cues is something I first started working on maybe 2 years before I joined this forum, altough I was not very successfull until after joining, so I gained alot of valueble info from some of the guys that were on here.
As I mentioned I don't build many cues. I do play with My own cue that I built, and I'm am ranked a 9 in BCA with that very cue, and I hope to stay there for a while If I'm lucky and not go up . I have had My firewood days, and learned alot of very valuble things from that, so yes I do aggree with Your theory that experience brings knowledge. This Is why I am different in some ways then others. I don't sell what I have built yet, they are all experiemental to me and I am still learning from them. I for one am not interested in pumping everything I build out there right off the bat, but I'm to the point that I could, and just need to set My sprayer up for a nice finish should I feel the need, but until I move I am not in a good place for that, and really don't have the space I need as I mentioned to you.

On the repair side, Well things are alittle different, I first started tipping My own cues in My teenage years, and well before I was 20 I started doing them for friends, and things just proggressed from there all on word of mouth. I'm almost 37 years old now, so not too hard to do the math. I will never think I know It all, but I'm certainly not new to it. My father has been there with me the whole time, and helped with sales & ocasionaly doing repair as well. altough sometimes we may look more like a episode of orange county choppers then cue repair guys . Needless to say We don't always see eye to eye, but We work through it. We currently take care of the largest house in town, and handle their house & personal cues, as well as the many customers We have built through word of mouth over the years.

It is definatly a labor of love, and not the most profitable thing to do. Like Tracy mentioned We to have our dead spots like anyone, but some times of the year we are crammed with work so much so that it starts to feel more like a job, and at times I want to shy away from work. When things get that busy I put very long hours in to try to keep up best I can. This limits My time to work on cues I'm building ocasionally, due to the limited space and dedicated equipment that I so despertly need. that's something We're working on as I mentioned to You.

I have not been at this 40 to 50 years or anything, But I don't feel like a total greenhorn either, and I'm old enough now to only see years as numbers, and not qualifications. I am also not interested in making any kind of name for Myself. In fact I try to keep a low profile. I just enjoy working on cues, and discussing it with others that have the same interest. IMO this is one of the best places for that.

I hope this gives some insight as to where I am, so there is no confusion. Anytime you will be close by again, Please email, and we can set something up. Who knows maybe sometime I can make it down your way

Greg C Colbert

 

[orangecrush]

Just to clear the air

I need everyones real name, address, social security number, mothers maiden name, blood sample, how long you have been working on cues, all your credencials as a cue maker, atleast three references and a thumb print? So I will know who I'm talking to.

Just kidding.. Just a little jokie joke.. I hope I'm not offending anyone

 

[BHQ]

I pay more attention to what people do than what they say and regardless of what you say I see that your name is incorporated into your Avatar.

I never said that the bigger the name the more important the post. I never said that the new guy had nothing to contribute but the fact is that we all learn through our experience and new cuemakers don't have years of mistakes and failures behind them to help keep them from making mistakes today. Sometimes I see new cuemakers giving incorrect advise to other new cuemakers and I simply try to correct the situation before it goes too far.

Most people don't accept criticism well (myself included ) and I am sure that I could have been more tactful. I never intended to hurt anyone's feelings.

I have helped many aspiring cuemakers in the past and will continue to do wo in the future. I get calls almost every day from someone asking for help.

The most important thing is that we all build better and better cues.

right on, mr. wadsworth. hey it was real nice talking to you the other day
can we get another category started here? "answer the wanna be cuemaker" i'm trying, learning as much as i can. mostly by trial & error.
called paying the dues i guess

 

[ShootingArts]

OK, time to 'fess up . . .

Credentials:

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express . . . several times!

Hu

I need everyones real name, address, social security number, mothers maiden name, blood sample, how long you have been working on cues, all your credencials as a cue maker, atleast three references and a thumb print? So I will know who I'm talking to.

Just kidding.. Just a little jokie joke.. I hope I'm not offending anyone

 

[Michael Webb]

I've been following this thread very carefully and I have decided NOT to become a cuemaker afterall....
Doug
(or an astronaut)
(maybe I'll become an Exotic Dancer)

I have some 1/2 dollars in the freezer!

 

[bandido]

I have some 1/2 dollars in the freezer!

What a b*tt-tightening thought, frozen Jacks in the crack!!!

 

[Cue Crazy]

What a b*tt-tightening thought, frozen Jacks in the crack!!!

Look at you'all, And you guys probably thought I was rude when I first joined here , that's just plain nasty, but bet It would make you pucker up LOL on the other side, It's a good way to save your money, don't think many will want It afterwards Hmm, now that I think of it, the little woman is always getting in My change and ones I set aside, maybe that would be a good way to fend her off. learn something new everyday.

 

[Michael Webb]

Look at you'all, And you guys probably thought I was rude when I first joined here , that's just plain nasty, but bet It would make you pucker up LOL on the other side, It's a good way to save your money, don't think many will want It afterwards Hmm, now that I think of it, the little woman is always getting in My change and ones I set aside, maybe that would be a good way to fend her off. learn something new everyday.

This is not rudeness, it's called bonding. Some people can talk, do business and even joke sometimes, Then there are others!
YOU JUST DON'T TALK TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Michael Webb]

Please don't read anything negative about my previous post, A couple of us try to joke a little, once in a while.

 

[bandido]

Hey now it's clean, responsible, self-directed, and spontaneous humour with no explanation needed.

Edwin<wondering if frozen peso coins equivalent to the half will get more action from our exotic.

 

[bandido]

Bonding is real important to us, poor bonding causes rattles!