Back before recorded time.. (for collectors and old timers) King Kustom Cases

If someone has pictures of a real King Kustoms Case, please feel free to post them. No need to post cheap copies made overseas.

Also if anyone was to have literature, business cards, etc.. feel free to post them because that was the ORIGINL request for information posted in the thread.

Any pertinent information is appreciated.

JV (---when is National Stalker Day 7/14 ?
 
classiccues said:
If someone has pictures of a real King Kustoms Case, please feel free to post them. No need to post cheap copies made overseas.

Also if anyone was to have literature, business cards, etc.. feel free to post them because that was the ORIGINL request for information posted in the thread.

Any pertinent information is appreciated.

JV (---when is National Stalker Day 7/14 ?
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I have pictures of a real one, including the address and phone number. But I will let the owner of it post his pictures if he feels like helping you. In pm after calling me all sorts of bannable names you told me you already know all about this brand.

So what do you need that you don't already have?

Have we established yet that the leather sleeve you have for sale is NOT a King Kustom as you said earlier that you believe it to be?

By the way I don't think that King Kustoms made any hard cases. The one you pictured is simply a leather sleeve lined with faux fur, not sheepskin. But you already knew that didn't you? Or did you?
 
You're right John, it has nothing to do with you threatening an ENTIRE show by bringing the ivory police into a show full of cue collectors and ivory.

Yeah John, its just the you and Jack thing.. lol

JV

JB Cases said:
I was invited to the International Cue Collectors Show in Atlanta for the inaugural case makers participation. Because of the ongoing feud between Jack Justis and myself some folks have asked that either Jack or me be invited to display but not both. After a vote of whatever committee was set up by Will Prout the decision was made to invite Jack this year and rescind my invitiation.

Which is fine with me and fully understandable considering the public display of animosity I have demonstrated since March towards Jack's statements about our products. The last thing anyone wants is any sort of disruption at that show and while I certainly would not have been the instigator there are other parties who most likely would have caused issues with me being there.

Are you happy now? If you would like to start a thread to discuss this since you have been hinting at it for weeks feel free. My cases will be there however and it's the work that counts and not whether I am physically there or not. Will you be there? I have not seen you there during any of the ones I have attended?

As for the topic I posted several statements that were on topic. I am not even sure if you have ever held an actual King Kustom Kase. Not only did I hold one I restored it. Personally.
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One more time for the reading impaired. I am looking for pertinent information, I have pictures, I have the address, hell I even have a picture of the building. I am asking for any and all other information related to the cases and the people who made them. If you do not have that information, do not use this thread to promote your foreign made copies.

We haven't established anything on my envelope case and that is not the reason for the thread.

Again, the thread is meant to be informative for everyone, not a vehicle for the deranged.

JV

JB Cases said:
I have pictures of a real one, including the address and phone number. But I will let the owner of it post his pictures if he feels like helping you. In pm after calling me all sorts of bannable names you told me you already know all about this brand.

So what do you need that you don't already have?

Have we established yet that the leather sleeve you have for sale is NOT a King Kustom as you said earlier that you believe it to be?

By the way I don't think that King Kustoms made any hard cases. The one you pictured is simply a leather sleeve lined with faux fur, not sheepskin. But you already knew that didn't you? Or did you?
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Your study of cases.. lol You've seen the one Alan has, and the one in the Baltimore bullet. LOL

BTW I use the term sheepskin because in mine its very similar to the white fluffy coat interior that was prevalent to the leather coats of the 60's and 70's. Its so other readers can understand what's inside it.

What would you like John, its a white poly fiber, machine made onto a nylon backer adhered into the case with a type of hide glue? What's easier to interpret, that or its sheepskin? Which conveys the type of interior more clearly for the reader?

What's next John, are you going to take issue with me calling it tooled?

You really are a nit.

JV


JB Cases said:
Based on my study of cases I would say that the case you have is most likely NOT a King Kase.

The only examples of King Kases that I have seen did not use any sewing and were done using a very old leather case pattern for making small cases without the use of sewing.

The latch is common to case making across the board.
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I would like this thread to remain on the cases.. maybe Jay Helfert, or Jerry may remember the cases.

But ironically, the inside label just says King Kustoms. I have only seen one person put case after it, as if it was part of the name, and that person spells it Kase. Now maybe its a subliminal thing, but if you abbreviate the King Kustom Kase, you get K.K.K.

Personally, I don't think that is an accident. I, on the other hand, have avoided that for obvious reasons.

JV
 
please no more of this stupidity

John, it's really not dignified the way you are coming here into Joe's thread and causing it to derail. You two are like oil and water.....and you know that. :(

I, for one, would like to see what other information is out there on these cases. It's interesting to me being from TN, albeit the eastern part. Before my time.
 
JV,

With the information you have on this cue case company, when do you think most of them were made? Great thread by the way on a unique case. Were these cases also called a Kelly case?

Thanks,

Tim
 
Tim said:
JV,

With the information you have on this cue case company, when do you think most of them were made? Great thread by the way on a unique case. We're these cases also called a Kelly case?

Thanks,

Tim
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Kelli cases were made by Bill McDaniel out of Jackson, TN and done in the Fellini style, tube cases.
 
Tim said:
JV,

With the information you have on this cue case company, when do you think most of them were made? Great thread by the way on a unique case. Were these cases also called a Kelly case?

Thanks,

Tim
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As Sean stated, Kelli's were made by McDaniels. I heard there may have also been a case made by a company called Rose cases. Hard to say, the record is very spotty. Maybe King didn't make enough money making the cases, they were short lived from my understanding. I am thinking late 60's into the 70's. Mosconi had one for his Rambow, in the Billiard Encyclopedia on page 291 of the Second printing, it looks like a King case. It looks like it has a snap on the bottom of the case, which is different than the few I have seen.

I am hoping to turn up literature, or something. I think Meucci, McDaniels, Schick or Richard Black they might know something about this company, hopefully they wade through the distraction and PM me.

The address on the cases are for a Suite, that could have been a single office, or a half a floor of this commercial building. Were they private labeled, or made there? The fact is no one has any info so far, so we are hoping to uncover some information. This is the sole purpose of this thread and we plan on starting a few more on obscure companies that we know were out there, but we do not know how many they made.

JV
 
classiccues said:
You're right John, it has nothing to do with you threatening an ENTIRE show by bringing the ivory police into a show full of cue collectors and ivory.

Yeah John, its just the you and Jack thing.. lol

JV
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I never ever ever threatened to bring any type of police to any show. You are thinking of Thomas Wayne. He is the one who threatened to bring the United States Customs Service to the ICCS to have them check my papers.

I would say get your story straight but I know that this is an impossible task for you.
 
cueaddicts said:
John, it's really not dignified the way you are coming here into Joe's thread and causing it to derail. You two are like oil and water.....and you know that. :(

I, for one, would like to see what other information is out there on these cases. It's interesting to me being from TN, albeit the eastern part. Before my time.
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Sean I didn't try to derail it AT ALL. I posted what I know of the brand.

Joe does not own a thread. He asked for any info and I gave some.
 
JB Cases said:
I never ever ever threatened to bring any type of police to any show. You are thinking of Thomas Wayne. He is the one who threatened to bring the United States Customs Service to the ICCS to have them check my papers.

I would say get your story straight but I know that this is an impossible task for you.
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Yes, then YOU countered with bringing the ivory police to a cue collectors show and told everyone to have their papers..

The story is straight and you sir, are again proving your worth.

JV
 
Well Mr. Condescending nitball, not all Kings are made this way, hence the reason for the thread. So much for your "studying"....

Keep digging John, the hole will cave in.

JV

JB Cases said:
Well if you knew anything about case making in general you would know that the pattern to make this case is common and the King Kustom was only using the same pattern in a longer version. Actually a very inefficient way to make cue cases because of the length of leather needed.
I don't know why you have to act like a jerk all the time. I made this replica because I wanted to do one for Alan as a gift. Not because I intend to make or sell them but if I did then I suppose it wouldn't be any different than Ron Thomas copying It's George and Centennial would it?
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classiccues said:
Yes, then YOU countered with bringing the ivory police to a cue collectors show and told everyone to have their papers..

The story is straight and you sir, are again proving your worth.

JV
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No I did not Joe. I never said any such thing.

Please provide your proof if you intend to defame me.

I have NEVER said I would bring any type of police to any show.

Again you are either willfully lying or you are ignorant of the facts.
 
Kelly case

cueaddicts said:
Kelli cases were made by Bill McDaniel out of Jackson, TN and done in the Fellini style, tube cases.
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Actually there was a Kelly case made in Milwaukee WI. early to mid 1970's? Who made them I do not Know, but it wasn't Bill McDaniel.
 
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