I watched while a friend of mine, played this other guy I know, some 8 ball on a 7 foot Valley. I know them both, and my friend is a far better player. The other guy breaks and makes a ball, and it is the worst lay out of balls you ever saw. This guy shoots average, at best. I swear ever time he made a ball, another ball or the cue ball would knock another ball out. It happened every shot, everything he did was wrong, but everything worked out perfect. The same thing happened with his last ball, and he made an easy shot on the eight. I would have given him 100 to 1 odds on running that rack. Which leaves me with the question, why can't a good player run every rack, when they start out with a good shot? I can't, but you would think it could be done most of the time.
Banger Break and Run
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Well not being a good player myself I can't answer for certain, but I can imagine that most of the time, run outs end due to poor positional play. It's easy to overcook a shot just a bit too much to hook yourself, or make the next shot just a bit too tough. I suppose the only other reason good players won't run a rack is misjudging the squirt and throw of the CB and OBs.
Three words, poor position play. If the cue ball was on a tighter leash, your shots would be easy for the most part. You would also be able to break up clusters as needed. Controlling whitey is the key to playing at a high level.
I believe its because they are concentrating to hard on where they want the cue ball to go. I know alot of the times if I start thinking really hard (which normally causes headaches) on what I want to do with the cue, I completely screw myself over. If I dont sweat about the position to much I generally run more balls.
Irock,
You may have heard this before. "Give a chimpanzee enough time and he will write all the works of Shakespeare". Same thing applies. That guy may never run another rack like that in his lifetime. My money's on the "Don'ts".
Lyn
You may have heard this before. "Give a chimpanzee enough time and he will write all the works of Shakespeare". Same thing applies. That guy may never run another rack like that in his lifetime. My money's on the "Don'ts".
Lyn
It's like they say; "Sometimes they roll for you, Sometimes they roll against you."
I know all of what you guys posted, is right on the money. It was just almost unreal, how it actually looked while he ran out. It almost looked like it was scripted that way. You were right, he did end up with the short end of the stick. He actually is a nice, guy so it was kind of nice to see him get a chance to strut around like a peacock for a few games after running out. But the glass slipper did not fit and eventually reality set in and went back to his normal speed. Oh well, thats just pool.
Tens of thousands of holes-in-one are made by the worlds worst golfers every year. They bounce them off rocks, trees, skip them off the water, or sometimes just hit a good shot and it goes in. I've yet to make one.
Along the same lines, why shouldn't the best golfers in the world birdie every hole?
-Mike
Along the same lines, why shouldn't the best golfers in the world birdie every hole?
-Mike
Pool players have their own unknown variables to compensate for. Cloth speed, rail compression, balls (dirty, clean, waxed, misshapen, etc), deflection, throw... Just to name a few.
really? it's a big part though. isn't it. at least i always thought it was. i know if i had better control i'd be a hell of alot better. what do you think ranks up there and above controlling whitey as a prereq to a higher game? i'm always curiuos to know what other guys think about this topic.
This sums it up pretty well. One of the average-at-best players at my home golf course got a hole in one a couple years ago. He hit his tee shot about 40 feet right of the green, and it hit a tree trunk, bounced onto the green, and slowly rolled in.
To those in "the know," we're aware that it was a fluke. But for the rest of his life, he gets to tell people he got a hole in one. It was in the newspaper, and he has the ball in a little case as a memento.
Meanwhile, thousands of excellent golfers have played that hole and not had a hole in one. Sometimes, it really IS all about luck.
I think controlling the cue ball is an enormous part of the game. But I think consistency is an even bigger part.
That's what stops everyone including pros.
The difference is pros screw up in fewer areas less often. The vast majority missed run outs from pros and top amateurs are due to positional errors. Considering that every table plays a little differently, the difference between great, average and terrible pool is how well they adapt to the conditions, and of course how the balls are rolling.
Then a small percentage of the time they might miss a routine shot. But most misses I would say are a result of making up for a poor positional shot.
Suffice to say, running out all the time is hard. Just about every large run I've seen, the lay outs for the most part have been between easy to medium difficulty. I don't think I've ever seen someone put 5+ racks together making making 5+ straight impossible outs. I'm sure it happens but not often at all.
Bangers on the other hand, it's lightning striking every now and then. In some cases, they get a road map, in other cases they are just lucky enough that all of their random positional play works out for them. Sometimes they manage to hold themselves together and make 9 very difficult shots in succession, which can be a result of miss aiming a shot or two but hitting the ball badly enough to compensate. We've all been there at one point, and at the time we would like to have thought it was our talent that was getting the job done, but mostly it was as much luck as anything. Regardless of what it is, it won't happen the next game.