I am asking kindly if you’re not a bank pool player or really don’t bank regularly while playing this thread is not directed to you ... thanks in advance ... My question to bankers is it better to use a soft tip or a hard tip ... Please explain you opinion .... thanks
Bank Pool
- Thread starter SHORTY WRIGHT
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Well Shorty- my short answer is that the tip hardness is neither a benefit nor detriment to making a bank shot.
My long answer is this: let's look at what affects bank shots ( we will look at one rail banks):
1.The point where the object ball strikes the first cushion determining the angle out to the desired pocket - not affected by tip hardness
2. Any english ( sidespin) that the cue ball imparts to the object ball - outside or inside spin, opening up or shortening the angle to the desired pocket- not affected by tip hardness.
3.Table cushion conditions- rail height, cushion density, humidity conditions, etc. all may affect angle out to the desired pocket and will vary from room to room, table to table, etc- but not be affected by tip hardness.
4. Speed off the first rail will either lengthen (slower speed) or possibly shorten ( high speeds) the angle to the desired pocket. I doubt that tip hardness will affect speed to any degree on a one rail bank so as to cause a missed shot.
So, in conclusion, using a tip hardness that one is satisfied with as a regular playing cue tip would be the best tip hardness to use whether the game is bank pool or some other game- IMO. You will deliver your stroke as you normally do in any other game, and make adjustments for all of the above four factors according to table conditions and the particular bank shot set up - without regard to cue tip hardness.
My long answer is this: let's look at what affects bank shots ( we will look at one rail banks):
1.The point where the object ball strikes the first cushion determining the angle out to the desired pocket - not affected by tip hardness
2. Any english ( sidespin) that the cue ball imparts to the object ball - outside or inside spin, opening up or shortening the angle to the desired pocket- not affected by tip hardness.
3.Table cushion conditions- rail height, cushion density, humidity conditions, etc. all may affect angle out to the desired pocket and will vary from room to room, table to table, etc- but not be affected by tip hardness.
4. Speed off the first rail will either lengthen (slower speed) or possibly shorten ( high speeds) the angle to the desired pocket. I doubt that tip hardness will affect speed to any degree on a one rail bank so as to cause a missed shot.
So, in conclusion, using a tip hardness that one is satisfied with as a regular playing cue tip would be the best tip hardness to use whether the game is bank pool or some other game- IMO. You will deliver your stroke as you normally do in any other game, and make adjustments for all of the above four factors according to table conditions and the particular bank shot set up - without regard to cue tip hardness.
boogieman
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that ping.
I think this is the wrong rabbit hole to follow. Use whatever tip you already have a feel for, the sooner you get tip hardness out of your thoughts, the sooner you can focus on the banks.
Firmer tip that holds shape and stays same durorating…not prone to any glazing and having to be dealing with any tip fluff from touch ups…
Generally speaking banks are played and shot firmer/higher speed than your average cb speed in all other games. Playing the ball firm adds a lot of consistency and makes the ob follow a straighter path overall and less effect from humidity, cushion inconsistency etc.
Majority of shots are made using the very close to center and extended through horizontal and vertical centers. A tip of draw at most on some shots, maybe two if you really got to hold the rock on a long bank.
High right low left low right low left is totally unnecessary in banks for the most part.
A lot of “high end” sorta trick banks live and die by the horizontal center.
If a ball is close to a rail and it’s a Crossover and cb must get out of way the fastest way possible….center, straight left or straight right is the only way. Follow and draw will only push the cb closer to a double kiss sooner or pull it back to wait longer for it.
Firmer Cue with good spine preferred over whippy cues that duck the hit.
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JoeRandom11
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I am not a bank pool player, though I enjoy working on my bank shot. I don't think the tip matters, but personal preference I get more spin on the cue ball with a softer tip, which allows more of a spin transfer to the object ball, potentially allowing me to bank wider angles with more spin. But like with anything else in the game of pool, it's all preference, and what works best for you.
I have the perfect answer to all of your questions. Too bad I’m only a rotation player or I could tell you.
Full-rack banks or short-rack?? Makes a lot of difference.
If your going to stick up a bank why waste it on one with a short rack
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The reason why would have to be voodoo or magic.
“The force that produces the speed and the force that produces the spin are the same force, and at a given offset any additional force increases the two in the same ratio.”
Changes of angular velocity and acceleration over distance/time is what creates spin
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One of the oldest 'old wives tales' in pool is soft tips give more spin. https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-tip/hardness/
JoeRandom11
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whatever the case is, i feel like i get more spin on the cue ball with a softer tip. i don't care about the physics behind it
First time I ever say bank Pool being play was in a Bar with two 4.5 x 9.0 in Anderson Indiana.
This bar was hang out for workers at the two old GM plants. Now closed, Delhi Remy & GuideLamp.
Most everyone was playing with House Cues, after pay day. Place was lots of gambling.
Some very good players, with House Cues.
This bar was hang out for workers at the two old GM plants. Now closed, Delhi Remy & GuideLamp.
Most everyone was playing with House Cues, after pay day. Place was lots of gambling.
Some very good players, with House Cues.
If you can see the angles the tip doesn't matter. You will adjust for how hard or soft your tip is.
Sound like a Marine thing. Improvise, adapt, and overcome.
I remember a Marine telling me that their motto was, "Kill them all and let God sort them out."
Tip hardness affects only one thing: how hard you need to hit the CB to get the same speed.
pj
chgo
I don't really play pool (compete) with anyone these days, but I do have a table at home, and totally enjoy rolling the balls out on the table, and shooting whatever is there. And about 90% of my practice is shooting banks. It's all I've really done for the past several years. I don't believe the tip has anything to do with it. It's all about seeing the angles, and understanding how to strike the cue ball. How hard to hit it, how much english, topspin, or backspin to use. And that's it.
After a while, you just "see it". You still have to practice, of course, but you don't need a system to help you figure out the angle, or tell you how to hit the cue ball. You just see it.
Listen to Bugs describe the shots, here. He'll say something like: "I have to reverse this (object) ball so I'm going to hit it two tips left, and two tips low." He just sees what it takes to make the shot, and then does it.
After a while, you just "see it". You still have to practice, of course, but you don't need a system to help you figure out the angle, or tell you how to hit the cue ball. You just see it.
Listen to Bugs describe the shots, here. He'll say something like: "I have to reverse this (object) ball so I'm going to hit it two tips left, and two tips low." He just sees what it takes to make the shot, and then does it.
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