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Danny:

I have two questions regarding banking:

1) When you're aiming, do you adjust your aim-point (from the center) or do you prefer to "swivel" the cue (off the aim line) to create your own angles (and always aim for the center of the object ball). I hope this makes sense... essentially, use english to adjust angles or "cut" the ball to adjust angles?

2) When playing bank pool, I've seen great players rifle the ball in (Truman Hogue or Charles Bryant) and I've seen great players pocket-speed banks in (Allen Hopkins). Is there a "right" speed to bank - or does it just depend on the shooter's preference?

Any insight would be appreciated!

Regards,
Dave Segal
 
I cut the object ball to adjust the angle, I try to stay as close to the center of the cue ball as possible ie. top center bottom "" and center "". I have learned by watching great players such as Bugs, Tony Fargo, and 'Piggy' Banks that it is important to try and crisp the bank in rather than slow role the bank as in One Pocket. When I was very young I watched Bugs play a very talented player from the St. Louis area One Pocket, he hardly ever roled a bank in, it was a style that I had never seen before. Remember when playing bank pool try to find the center of the cue ball as much as possible and adjust your banks with speed vs top and bottom. I hope this helps, sorry it took me so long to respond.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman (DCC Bank Pool Champ)
 
If you can afford the MONK TAPES on Banking they will be will worth the Price of the Tapes. Great Instruction on all elements of the Bank, and Kick SHOT....
 
I wish everyone that wrote a how to book on pool gambled, I would also wish them incredible success in their endeavor of selling these books or tapes. It is not my place to discourage these tapes and some are better than others, it is also not my intent to belittle PooSleuth's hero "The Monk" he has some good material as long as he sticks to drill's (The Star practice drill.) As for learning how to bank I would first consult the experts and do my homework, banking an object ball is not about the diamonds and or the plus two system. I have allways found it interesting on what some peoplle qualify as knowledge, the monk could help someone on how to bank I'm sure but what about people who are considered the best in the sport? Again I would do my homework, I realize that you do not have to be a great player to "point" someone in the right direction, I am not saying that I cannot lose playing Banks, maybe one day I will make a bank video of my own as I feel I may be able to shed some light on the cushions. You will have to excuse my gambling attitude it's the way I was brought up, i.e. if you can't play for the $ then you don't know much - I do not I agree with that as much as I once did. I just afraid that I would not make much $ and it would be a joke, but if I did it I would not do a halfassed' job it would be material worth while to someone who was genuinely interested in learning how to bank a ball.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman (DCC Bank Pool Champ)
 
Danny:

I've seen some players 'warp' object balls in the pocket that should probably double-kiss. Can you shed some light on that? Is there a particular technique?

Dave
 
Danny Harriman said:
I cut the object ball to adjust the angle, I try to stay as close to the center of the cue ball as possible ie. top center bottom "" and center "". I have learned by watching great players such as Bugs, Tony Fargo, and 'Piggy' Banks that it is important to try and crisp the bank in rather than slow role the bank as in One Pocket. When I was very young I watched Bugs play a very talented player from the St. Louis area One Pocket, he hardly ever roled a bank in, it was a style that I had never seen before. Remember when playing bank pool try to find the center of the cue ball as much as possible and adjust your banks with speed vs top and bottom. I hope this helps, sorry it took me so long to respond.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman (DCC Bank Pool Champ)
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I see you are playing with Jeff Olney cues exclusively. Are you still using compressed Blue Diamond cue tips?
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
Speaking of gambling....

Danny Harriman said:
I wish everyone that wrote a how to book on pool gambled....You will have to excuse my gambling attitude it's the way I was brought up, i.e. if you can't play for the $ then you don't know much - ...
Sincerely, Danny Harriman (DCC Bank Pool Champ)
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Hi Danny,

I haven't been able to watch you play too much...but I would really like to see you play 14.1 someday in person...not necessarily banks... Not to hijack this thread...but since you mentioned playing for money... I understand that after you beat J. Archer in an IPT 8-ball match...the one where you got up on the table to take a shot...that he challenged you to play for money.

If all of that is accurate...and you do like to gamble...I was just wondering if you didn't actually match up with JA...why didn't you...and would you match up with him even in 8-ball...or would one of you need a spot (just curious as to your thoughts).

Thank you, take it easy, and hit'em straight...
 
I am currently playing with an elk master that has been pressed in a vice, I did not soak the tip and I pressed it firmly in a vice for maybe twenty minutes.
Danny Harriman
 
Archer is strictly a tournament player, he did ask me to gamble after I won the match against him. When I wager $ on a pool game I prefer to play One Pocket or Banks, Johnny would not be too inclined to play either of those games with alot of players that are not as well known as that of himself. I mentioned the game to some of the other top players and how they thought I would fair against Archer playing Eight ball, Bustamante thought I would win because of my break being more powerful. The bottom line is Johnny is a great player who lost his composure towards the end of our match, I feel the close game between us would be 14.1. Playing 9-ball would be redundant cause every rack he would give me would be a bad one, if Johnny does play either banks or one pocket he would be the under dog in my humble opinion. I have asked Johnny to play One Pocket several times and he gets very defensive and says One Pocket is for people that are dumb. I think he is afraid of losing or maybe he does not understand the game, I like the ducking,moving, and total creativity that this game offers. You would think that Johnny would like that part of the game cause he was in fact being aggressive and defensive when he asked me to play. I feel at this point in my game that for the $ I am a better all around player than Johnny B Good Archer. He has an open invite to play, I enjoy action period and try to set my ego aside when competing. If Corey or Efren or anyone else came I would love to play them some $100.00 a game One Pocket- Corey could however bet higher if he chose to. If anyone likes and enjoys friendly action consider yourself invited. There are no politics in Blue Springs, MO just a nice pool room with brand new Brunswick tables and owners that love to watch great pool being played.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman




Sincerely, Danny Harriman
 
Great Reply...

Thanks Danny. That was one of the most straight-forward replies that I have read on this forum. I wasn't sure at first if your gambling extended to any and all takers...but I guess that you answered that!

I wish you the best in your pool playing career.
 
Danny Harriman said:
Archer is strictly a tournament player, he did ask me to gamble after I won the match against him. When I wager $ on a pool game I prefer to play One Pocket or Banks, Johnny would not be too inclined to play either of those games with alot of players that are not as well known as that of himself. I mentioned the game to some of the other top players and how they thought I would fair against Archer playing Eight ball, Bustamante thought I would win because of my break being more powerful. The bottom line is Johnny is a great player who lost his composure towards the end of our match, I feel the close game between us would be 14.1. Playing 9-ball would be redundant cause every rack he would give me would be a bad one, if Johnny does play either banks or one pocket he would be the under dog in my humble opinion. I have asked Johnny to play One Pocket several times and he gets very defensive and says One Pocket is for people that are dumb. I think he is afraid of losing or maybe he does not understand the game, I like the ducking,moving, and total creativity that this game offers. You would think that Johnny would like that part of the game cause he was in fact being aggressive and defensive when he asked me to play. I feel at this point in my game that for the $ I am a better all around player than Johnny B Good Archer. He has an open invite to play, I enjoy action period and try to set my ego aside when competing. If Corey or Efren or anyone else came I would love to play them some $100.00 a game One Pocket- Corey could however bet higher if he chose to. If anyone likes and enjoys friendly action consider yourself invited. There are no politics in Blue Springs, MO just a nice pool room with brand new Brunswick tables and owners that love to watch great pool being played.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman




Sincerely, Danny Harriman
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I've seen Danny play in numerous events over the last 5 years and I concur he's one of the best 'all-around' players. What befuddles me is why he's always under-the-radar? He's been beating world-beaters forever now and no one gives him recognition. At the IPT in Reno they didn't even have his picture in the program, and he could spot the 6 to MANY of the players who had profiles.

Don't let the perfect-hair fool you, he's a player. I'll never forget the bank he made on Mike Sigel in the World Straight Pool Championships to win 150-148 (I think was the score). Best 14.1 match I've ever seen, without a doubt.
 
Danny Harriman said:
Archer is strictly a tournament player, he did ask me to gamble after I won the match against him. When I wager $ on a pool game I prefer to play One Pocket or Banks, Johnny would not be too inclined to play either of those games with alot of players that are not as well known as that of himself. I mentioned the game to some of the other top players and how they thought I would fair against Archer playing Eight ball, Bustamante thought I would win because of my break being more powerful. The bottom line is Johnny is a great player who lost his composure towards the end of our match, I feel the close game between us would be 14.1. Playing 9-ball would be redundant cause every rack he would give me would be a bad one, if Johnny does play either banks or one pocket he would be the under dog in my humble opinion. I have asked Johnny to play One Pocket several times and he gets very defensive and says One Pocket is for people that are dumb. I think he is afraid of losing or maybe he does not understand the game, I like the ducking,moving, and total creativity that this game offers. You would think that Johnny would like that part of the game cause he was in fact being aggressive and defensive when he asked me to play. I feel at this point in my game that for the $ I am a better all around player than Johnny B Good Archer. He has an open invite to play, I enjoy action period and try to set my ego aside when competing. If Corey or Efren or anyone else came I would love to play them some $100.00 a game One Pocket- Corey could however bet higher if he chose to. If anyone likes and enjoys friendly action consider yourself invited. There are no politics in Blue Springs, MO just a nice pool room with brand new Brunswick tables and owners that love to watch great pool being played.
Sincerely, Danny Harriman




Sincerely, Danny Harriman
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If I ever get a huge bankroll, I'll try you some of that. even thought I know I"m donating. I think I could learn alot from you. And I would be very interested in a book or video or whatever it is you come up with for us bangers to be able to bank better. Thanks, I wish you well, and keep the gamble in you. Seems as if that's dying in pool and moving to poker. Well, I absolutely love the way you play. I wish I could play as good as you do. Dont we all.... One day perhaps. Well, make a video for us bangers to buy. :D That way the only balls I can make are banks....:p

Tony
 
Danny Harriman said:
The bottom line is Johnny is a great player who lost his composure towards the end of our match. Playing 9-ball would be redundant 'cause every rack he would give me would be a bad one. :eek: I have asked Johnny to play One Pocket several times and he gets very defensive and says One Pocket is for people that are dumb. Sincerely, Danny Harriman
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That's just wrong man, but totally believeable in this shady world of pool that we live in. Pretty sad really. Seems like there just aren't enough good people out there anymore, not including yourself Danny, I've heard that you're a really good guy, along with Bustamante, Charlie Williams, and Thorsten Hohmann.
 
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I watched you play larry nevel in olathe at the mid 9 ball tour. Did you gamble with nevel he looked pretty tough
 
No I am know playing with a Tiger Laminated tip (Sniper).
 
Bank practice

Finally someone that doesn't talk about diamond systems and such. I'm definitely not saying that can't help you see angles a little better, but don't plan on going to the table and trying to measure and calculate every shot.

I may not yet be a great player, but one thing I do like to do is bank. There are times when using different english on a bank will help, but many times (like most shots) you can make the bank with normal up/down/center hits. And like most shots, you want to do as little as possible to distract you from your main goal of pocketing the shot. You'll find some scenarios where you'll need to put something on it to either make an odd-angled bank or to avoid a double-kiss.

Firing at banks keeps the angle a little bit more uniform and helps clear the cb from a double-kiss when you need to make very short-angled banks. Slow-rolling a bank can lengthen the angle (but can also help in cheating the pockets, too).

All in all, it depends on what bank you've got and what you plan on doing with your leave and such. I like to practice a bit of everything (speed, spin transfer, angles, distance from the rail, etc).

That's my 2 amateur cents!
 
Danny Harriman said:
No I am know playing with a Tiger Laminated tip (Sniper).
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TIP CHANGE

I see you were playing a Pressed Elkmaster (11/06) and now a Sniper- is it a similar hit? Is the Sniper a bit harder? Did the Elkmaster have superglued sides? It sounds like you like the stay on the vertical axis of the CB and lengthen or shorten up the bank with speed and cut angle. So-does the tip hardness matter much to you if you if you are not spinning the CB that much? And if you are hitting most banks fairly crisp, does a "hard" tip help, hinder or not much matter?

Thanks, in advance.

3railkick/Bill

ps. I play both an Elkmaster and Moori med/tried Everest(too hard for me)
 
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