Banks 201

garczar said:
Don't like 'em don't play. Bank rules have been the same way for YEARS.
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All I said was the rules sucked. Meaning it takes away from legitimate pool shots that most of us would call bank shots and some would call easy bank shots. That’s all. I don’t mind playing by those rules. I guess it’s just like safeties a lot of times. The rules give a lesser player a better chance. Take for example 9 ball. We’ve all lost to the guy that tries to slop the 9ball every chance he gets. Or maybe been that guy. It is what it is. Those are the rules.
 
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RabbiHippie said:
It's fairly common to allow 3-rail (or greater) kicks in a ring game where intentional safeties are prohibited because otherwise there aren't many good ways to clear out the hangers blocking a pocket. In some ring games I've played in, the kick was allowed but didn't count for scoring (i.e. getting paid) purposes--you got to continue shooting but didn't collect anything from the other players for the kick.
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I can understand this for avg players. Or if all the balls left on the table are hanging and considered not bankable by all involved in the game. It should almost never get to that point. If you are not clearing pockets while pocketing balls, you aren’t that good at banks. That’s a standard shot in banks. You should be setting up your shots to clear pockets if you need to
 
Konrad5288 said:
Man maybe I forgot to take my script today I’m really ranting here. I do hope to catch some of you someday. Always enjoyed playing and pissed off that I can touch it at times but can’t seem to get to that “pro” level. So Ill sometimes focus on those other, missing aspects that you don’t see often to try to gain an edge.
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Play the ghost. A LOT. Best practice there is. See what shots you're doggin and work on them. Banks or rotation playing Casper is good practice.
 
Konrad5288 said:
I can understand this for avg players. Or if all the balls left on the table are hanging and considered not bankable by all involved in the game. It should almost never get to that point. If you are not clearing pockets while pocketing balls, you aren’t that good at banks. That’s a standard shot in banks. You should be setting up your shots to clear pockets if you need to
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Seems to me that allowing someone to score by clearing a pocket with a one-rail kick or a basic bank combo makes the game too easy.
 
garczar said:
Play the ghost. A LOT. Best practice there is. See what shots you're doggin and work on them. Banks or rotation playing Casper is good practice.
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Thanks for this comment czar. I do. Most of the time. And it’s nice because playing yourself gives you the option to reset the shot you missed or keep on a run acting like that ball didn’t just rattle the corner.
 
Konrad5288 said:
I can understand this for avg players. Or if all the balls left on the table are hanging and considered not bankable by all involved in the game. It should almost never get to that point. If you are not clearing pockets while pocketing balls, you aren’t that good at banks. That’s a standard shot in banks. You should be setting up your shots to clear pockets if you need to
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This (Kicking) only applies to ring games, never head-to-head matches, where safeties aren't permitted and/or selling out to the next guy can be both costly and hazardous to your health. This is evident with either a little reflection or some harsh real life experience, whichever you prefer. Good luck.
 
MattPoland said:
Seems to me that allowing someone to score by clearing a pocket with a one-rail kick or a basic bank combo makes the game too easy.
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Hey Matt. I’m with you. Other poster said 3 rail or more kick to clear a pocket. Not to score. I was saying that might make sense if all balls are not able to be banked. And that’s agreed on by all players in said game. My comment was meant to be if say there are 4 balls blocking pockets and you have a bankable ball cross side. The correct shot should be banking the ball cross side with the correct English to also clear at least one of those 4 balls at the same time. Not banking cross side and then your next shot is shooting a 3 rail kick to clear a pocket. Then you keep shooting with ball spotted. If you are able to do the latter, it would make the game, as you stated, a lot easier.
 
But hold on. See I forget the real rules. If someone makes a clean bank and clears a pocket does that cleared ball actually stay down until the end of their turn?
 
Konrad5288 said:
Ok well then I guess I clear one with the cross side pocket a second one with my next shot and leave the cue ball in middle of table. I’ll bet that kick bank, carom bank, or a combo bank would come in pretty handy now huh?
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No, you’re just making a different game. Banks is basically the only game I play and the rules are very simple and straight forward.

Kicking generally is only talked about in ring game formats, players can decide how they want to handle it. The most common these days is 3 rail kick on the last ball is fine and it counts as 1 rail (nearly all ring games are played by the rail)

Older versions it was more common to kick and spot then you shoot again. However fouling still yields you pay the Penalty to the players in the game making that format essentially pointless (risk to reward in kicking is negative)

The rules are very simple in straight 9 ball banks, they get slightly more complicated when it’s a ring game but still quite straight forward.
 
I know. I was just saying a lot of people could make that carom bank cross side in said scenario. So here it is. A second lucky shot in banks. With the layout I gave above, I’d go masse. Back ball cross corner. If I make it it’s definitely 🍀. Or maybe I have a 🧲 up my 💩er.
 
1Rail4Rail said:
The long rail bank that hits off the side pocket point and slides down the rail and in, is a legal shot. It’s basically the only “lucky” shot in the game. It happens every now and again.
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In money games we usually didn't allow that shot being called good. I did see a few disagreements over it though. IMO it shouldn't count. It's not a clean bank.
 
1Rail4Rail:

The long rail bank that hits off the side pocket point and slides down the rail and in, is a legal shot. It’s basically the only “lucky” shot in the game. It happens every now and again.
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jay helfert said:
In money games we usually didn't allow that shot being called good. I did see a few disagreements over it though. IMO it shouldn't count. It's not a clean bank.
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Jay, would you allow a bank off the side rail point to a pocket on the opposite long rail?

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Patrick Johnson said:
Jay, would you allow a bank off the side rail point to a pocket on the opposite long rail?

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If they called it why not. If you're talking about a three railer that hits the point of the side pocket and goes, that does count. That can happen. The ball is not sliding down the rail pon that shot, is it.
 
jay helfert said:
In money games we usually didn't allow that shot being called good. I did see a few disagreements over it though. IMO it shouldn't count. It's not a clean bank.
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That was my thinking as well when it came up in a game I was playing (which was head-to-head, for money and hill-hill to boot) but I could see I would get no where arguing about adjacent rails and such so just gave in and allowed my opponent to take the shot, which he made. It's really not that difficult shot and it didn't surprise me when he pulled it off since it's one that I and probably most people have fooled around with at some point. It seemed a bit desperate to me and I just gambled on it backfiring on him but that time it didn't.
 
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