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[cardiac kid]

I have only been on this forum for about a month, lurked for awhile, been on quite a few other forums for other hobbies though.
It seems difficult to balance growing a forum, and also having knowledgeable people.


In this thread realkingcobra got banned, I do think he was a bit blunt, that said I don't think it warranted him being banned.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=5996366
For whatever it's worth I think what a person contributes to the site should be taken into account as well. I hope they unban the guy, I asked azhousepro to unban him, but I don't think I have any pull here whatsoever.

I'm also a member of several forums not pool related. Don't think I've ever seen a member banned.

Several of our fellow posters have extremely strong opinions. Mike Howerton and his group of moderators have drawn "a line in the sand" over the years and some of our brothers and sisters have crossed that line. Believe the number one cause of "bans" is personal attacks on another member. Posting false information or outright cheating another member on the for sale forum is probably another. In the end, the banned poster probably knew a post went over the line but decided to continue anyway. There has to be some punishment or the site will become a free for all.

Lyn

 

[HUKIT]

Believe the number one cause of "bans" is personal attacks on another member. Posting false information or outright cheating another member on the for sale forum is probably another. In the end, the banned poster probably knew a post went over the line but decided to continue anyway. There has to be some punishment or the site will become a free for all.

Lyn

If that were true then why are the Justinb86 threads allowed to continue?

 

[cardiac kid]

If that were true then why are the Justinb86 threads allowed to continue?

As I gave up reading Justin's posts on any thread, not sure why Mr Wilson has allowed him to continue to post. Perhaps you could contact Mr Wilson and ask that question. I've done that and always received a clear, concise answer to my question(s).

Lyn

 

[HUKIT]

As I gave up reading Justin's posts on any thread, not sure why Mr Wilson has allowed him to continue to post. Perhaps you could contact Mr Wilson and ask that question. I've done that and always received a clear, concise answer to my question(s).

Lyn

I meant all the threads personally attacking him... I don’t care for his posting style or how he acts but no one should be treated as he’s been.

 

[Snooker Theory]

I meant all the threads personally attacking him... I don’t care for his posting style or how he acts but no one should be treated as he’s been.

I wondered the same, but figured it out in post 36 of this thread.

 

[Bavafongoul]

HUKIT.....your post is understandable because you are a newbie that joined this Forum in August.

After you've logged more time on this website, you'll understand why there's such a vitriolic reaction.

Enuf is enough when it involves 386 and pretty much everyone around these parts has had their fill.

 

[lorider]

HUKIT.....your post is understandable because you are a newbie that joined this Forum in August.

After you've logged more time on this website, you'll understand why there's such a vitriolic reaction.

Enuf is enough when it involves 386 and pretty much everyone around these parts has had their fill.

I have been a member of of this forum for almost 7 years and am well aware of justins posting history and happen to agree with hukit.

Actually I have been out spoken on here several times about this issue. I do agree that his posts stirs up controversy and are monotonous .

In my opinion how posters respond to said controversy speaks volumes about their character. As I have stated numerous times.....justins posting style does not warrant being called retard...moron...idiot ...thief and have threads started making jokes about him. Also.....your repeated posts about looking for an ivory jointed hercek could be viewed as monotonous by some posters as well.

 

[justinb386]

I wondered why people are mean to you, but here djv made a comment and your response seemed to be a blatant lie, how do you have no clue what he is talking about when the conversation went EXACTLY like he said it had

I honestly do not understand what his point was. Yes, I was interested in the Barry Moore cue (that he posted a conversation and pictures about), and yes, I asked about Barry Moore cues on here. I still do not get it. What did I do wrong?

 

[justinb386]

Thanks Snooker. I really don't like drama, or picking fights. I also don't like calling people out for stupidity, unless they ask for it. This time, it was asked for.

I still do not understand, honestly. Please explain into further detail what your point was? I honestly do not understand.

 

[justinb386]

What percentage of people with whom you interact do you consider to be mean? On here it seems like you call over half of the members and replies 'mean'. I don't see it. Curt, maybe. Insensitive, probably. Rude and mean? Not so much.

A lot of the guys who have replied to my threads over the years (usually the same group of guys). They can be very vicious.

 

[djv122385]

I still do not understand, honestly. Please explain into further detail what your point was? I honestly do not understand.

Honestly Justin, if you still do not understand, then you need help. This is me being neither mean, or rude, just stating facts. One of two things is happening, you either have short term memory loss, or you truly don't understand what you are doing. Either way, contradicting yourself at every turn, alienating the people who try to help you, it just isn't the way things are done. I still consider myself a rookie as far as cue knowledge is concerned, but I also know if I truly need an answer I can ask someone. Why? Because I research first then ask second. You jump to the forum every time a thought crosses your mind. It would take less time to type in your search in Google and click a link than it does to write a post, so saying "you're too lazy to use the search function" isn't an excuse. By the way, don't bother sending me PMs, as I will not respond to them. If you have a question, voice it publicly, as our full conversation is out in the open now anyway.

 

[djv122385]

A lot of the guys who have replied to my threads over the years (usually the same group of guys). They can be very vicious.

To make life easier, I will view your PM and copy it here:
Hi,

I am honestly confused what I did that angered you. Yes, I asked about Barry Moore cues on here, because I did not know anything about the cue maker, and I wanted to look for opinions about his cues. I mostly just got laughed at and made fun of about my question. So, what was the point you were trying to make with your post? I am honestly confused about it. Sorry if I angered you, but I do not understand what I did wrong.

Justin


In response to this, if you just asked for Barry Moore input that would have been fine. The issue here isn't your question, the issue is how you went about it. It's like you were picking petals off a flower playing "she likes me, she likes me not". You opened our conversation interested in the cue, liking the look. You then tell me "you don't like the design". I would have let it go at that, but you tell me you don't like the design within 5 minutes of posting a thread asking about Barry Moore cues, and specifically saying "I have someone interested in a trade but I don't want to overpay". Well if you don't like the cue, there's no risk of overpaying if you aren't going to buy it. The real question is, are you intentionally lying to me? To yourself? Or do you honestly just not realize how much you waiver, and how quickly you do it?

 

[Poolplaya9]

In response to this, if you just asked for Barry Moore input that would have been fine. The issue here isn't your question, the issue is how you went about it. It's like you were picking petals off a flower playing "she likes me, she likes me not". You opened our conversation interested in the cue, liking the look. You then tell me "you don't like the design". I would have let it go at that, but you tell me you don't like the design within 5 minutes of posting a thread asking about Barry Moore cues, and specifically saying "I have someone interested in a trade but I don't want to overpay". Well if you don't like the cue, there's no risk of overpaying if you aren't going to buy it. The real question is, are you intentionally lying to me? To yourself? Or do you honestly just not realize how much you waiver, and how quickly you do it?

A couple of possibilities you may not have considered. He may have in fact never really liked the looks of the cue to begin with but was interested because there was a chance that it might be a smoking deal price wise on a maker he had never heard of and if that was the case he could live with something that wasn't his preference for looks because the price is so much more important. After he inquired on here about it he found that it was not in fact a smoking deal and so he was obviously no longer interested. We all know how much that Justin is always looking for the best deals, not that we all aren't, but how good the deal is on a cue seem to play an even bigger role for Justin in regards to his interest level in a cue than it does for most of us.

Another possibility is that he did like the looks of the cue, contacted you to inquire about about it, then inquired on here about value, and once he found out that it wasn't a great deal he chose to tell you that he didn't much like the looks of the cue after all instead of telling you "your price is too high" because he didn't want to run the risk of offending you. I think both would be considered somewhat reasonable actions and that many others do very similar things. Not saying one of these is the case, but they could be and if they are they appear to be somewhat reasonable.

 

[justinb386]

A couple of possibilities you may not have considered. He may have in fact never really liked the looks of the cue to begin with but was interested because there was a chance that it might be a smoking deal price wise on a maker he had never heard of and if that was the case he could live with something that wasn't his preference for looks because the price is so much more important. After he inquired on here about it he found that it was not in fact a smoking deal and so he was obviously no longer interested. We all know how much that Justin is always looking for the best deals, not that we all aren't, but how good the deal is on a cue seem to play an even bigger role for Justin in regards to his interest level in a cue than it does for most of us.

Another possibility is that he did like the looks of the cue, contacted you to inquire about about it, then inquired on here about value, and once he found out that it wasn't a great deal he chose to tell you that he didn't much like the looks of the cue after all instead of telling you "your price is too high" because he didn't want to run the risk of offending you. I think both would be considered somewhat reasonable actions and that many others do very similar things. Not saying one of these is the case, but they could be and if they are they appear to be somewhat reasonable.

Yeah, I was not really crazy about the design of the cue to begin with. If I would have loved the looks of the cue, then I would have jumped on the purchase without even thinking twice about it, and I would not have asked for opinions about Barry Moore cues.

Actually, I may have asked for opinions about Barry Moore cues anyways (but only after buying the cue) if I would have really loved the looks of it. The only thing i did really like about the looks of the cue was the handle area. I did not like the design, other then that.

But, I thought if maybe I could find some good reviews about his cues, then I may have purchased it anyways, even though I was not crazy about the looks of it.

The price was only $300, but that is a lot of money to me. I did not want to buy a cue that I may be stuck with, and not only not like the looks of, but also not be happy with the way it plays.

With something like a Predator or a Schon cue purchase (to name a few examples), at least I know if I do not like it, then I can easily resell it (pretty quickly, if it is in high demand).

I did not know if there was any demand for Barry Moore cues, so that is why I asked about them on here.

I mostly got replies with people trying to be comedians, so there was my answer to my question.

I was without a cue, and looking to buy a cue. I have to be very picky, and do my research before throwing the little money that I have on a cue purchase.

Just trying to find something that I really love, but on the other hand, I can't afford to take gambles on unknown cues.

Thanks for your reply.

You are one of the most decent and understanding people on this forum.

 

[PoppaSaun]

A couple of possibilities you may not have considered. He may have in fact never really liked the looks of the cue to begin with but was interested because there was a chance that it might be a smoking deal price wise on a maker he had never heard of and if that was the case he could live with something that wasn't his preference for looks because the price is so much more important. After he inquired on here about it he found that it was not in fact a smoking deal and so he was obviously no longer interested. We all know how much that Justin is always looking for the best deals, not that we all aren't, but how good the deal is on a cue seem to play an even bigger role for Justin in regards to his interest level in a cue than it does for most of us.

Another possibility is that he did like the looks of the cue, contacted you to inquire about about it, then inquired on here about value, and once he found out that it wasn't a great deal he chose to tell you that he didn't much like the looks of the cue after all instead of telling you "your price is too high" because he didn't want to run the risk of offending you. I think both would be considered somewhat reasonable actions and that many others do very similar things. Not saying one of these is the case, but they could be and if they are they appear to be somewhat reasonable.

WTF are you on about? In all scenarios, justin lied to the guy. Start and end of discussion.

A little boy was out playing and screamed, 'WOLF!' The townspeople grabbed axes and torches and came running, but there was no wolf.

The next day, the boy again calls, 'WOLF!'. Again, the townspeople came armed and ready to fight off the predator. Again, there was no wolf.

On the third day, the boy ran into a wolf, and calls for help. This time, the townspeople refused to help as the boy was torn apart and devoured by the wolf.

When the townspeople found the boy's remains, they were overjoyed because they didn't have to listen to the twerp call, 'Wolf' any longer.

 

[justinb386]

WTF are you on about? In all scenarios, justin lied to the guy. Start and end of discussion.

A little boy was out playing and screamed, 'WOLF!' The townspeople grabbed axes and torches and came running, but there was no wolf.

The next day, the boy again calls, 'WOLF!'. Again, the townspeople came armed and ready to fight off the predator. Again, there was no wolf.

On the third day, the boy ran into a wolf, and calls for help. This time, the townspeople refused to help as the boy was torn apart and devoured by the wolf.

When the townspeople found the boy's remains, they were overjoyed because they didn't have to listen to the twerp call, 'Wolf' any longer.

What did I lie about? I told him that I did not like the design of the cue. Those were my thoughts about the cue the entire time. What am I missing here? Be more specific? I do not understand what you are talking about.

 

[PoppaSaun]

What did I lie about? I told him that I did not like the design of the cue. Those were my thoughts the entire time.

Post #27, yo.

'I really like the one on the right.'

Later:

'But I don't really like the looks of the design.'

One is true, the other isn't. When you say things that aren't true, that is lying.

 

[justinb386]

To make life easier, I will view your PM and copy it here:
Hi,

I am honestly confused what I did that angered you. Yes, I asked about Barry Moore cues on here, because I did not know anything about the cue maker, and I wanted to look for opinions about his cues. I mostly just got laughed at and made fun of about my question. So, what was the point you were trying to make with your post? I am honestly confused about it. Sorry if I angered you, but I do not understand what I did wrong.

Justin


In response to this, if you just asked for Barry Moore input that would have been fine. The issue here isn't your question, the issue is how you went about it. It's like you were picking petals off a flower playing "she likes me, she likes me not". You opened our conversation interested in the cue, liking the look. You then tell me "you don't like the design". I would have let it go at that, but you tell me you don't like the design within 5 minutes of posting a thread asking about Barry Moore cues, and specifically saying "I have someone interested in a trade but I don't want to overpay". Well if you don't like the cue, there's no risk of overpaying if you aren't going to buy it. The real question is, are you intentionally lying to me? To yourself? Or do you honestly just not realize how much you waiver, and how quickly you do it?

Sorry, but I still do not understand what I did wrong. I am unable to give a reply if you will not tell me what you are so angry about.

 

[justinb386]

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Post #27, yo.

'I really like the one on the right.'

Later:

'But I don't really like the looks of the design.'

One is true, the other isn't. When you say things that aren't true, that is lying.

Okay, well i did not consiously lie. I did really love part of the cue (which was the handle part). Loved the BEM in the cue. I did not mean to lie in either case. In the end, I guess I should have just told the seller that I found something else, instead of telling him that I did not like the design (which would have been a lie). I never meant to lie in either case.

This is unbelievable though. All of this fuss over a few comments that I made, in a PM on Facebook, and in a question that I posted about a cue makers cues. You guys act like I robbed a bank, or did something really horrible. This is really unbelievable. You guys must be really bored with your lives, to attack me over such tiny little things that are completely harmless.

 

[Johnny Rosato]

He"s a nut !!!