The BAR tables in the Northwest have been 4 x 8's forever! And they are definitely bar tables! One or two in every bar, all the regulation size 8' table (44" x 88" playing surface). I was surprised the first time I ventured up there way back in the 70's. I thought it would be good for me, since I was used to playing on 9' tables. That is until I ran into Mike Zimmerman who roasted me!