Bar Box Trend
- Thread starter Johnnyt
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The trend is to increase revenue and I doubt that it has much to do with leagues. Many room owners will tell you that leauge play brings in little revenue to the business. Most rooms, in my opinion, are going to bar boxes in order to bring in the young crowd, twenty somethings that will run up a 50 dollar bar tab. When choosing a place to go hang out, play some pool, and drink some beers, people are going to want to play on bar tables versuses nine footers. Its all about the almight dollar.
For example:
Room 1 has a bar, food, 10 barboxes, 2 dart boards, and a jukebox.
Room 2 has a bar, food, 10 nine footers, a jukebox.
Room 3 has a bar, food 8 nine footers and 2 barboxes, a jukebox, and leauge play.
Room 4 has beer only, some food, 10 nine footers, no jukebox.
Room 1 more than likely outgrosses room 2,3, or 4.
For example:
Room 1 has a bar, food, 10 barboxes, 2 dart boards, and a jukebox.
Room 2 has a bar, food, 10 nine footers, a jukebox.
Room 3 has a bar, food 8 nine footers and 2 barboxes, a jukebox, and leauge play.
Room 4 has beer only, some food, 10 nine footers, no jukebox.
Room 1 more than likely outgrosses room 2,3, or 4.
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Not for nothing, and I don't know how to operate a game room, but most bar boxes I see tend to be coin op as opposed to paying table time on the commercial size tables. Don't know exactly how that translates, but I guess some people rather pay as they go, so to speak.
I disagree about the league comment.........bomber said:
1)alot of bar's around here need leagues to survive.
2)when our team goes out to have a few beers and food and practice we go to our home venue.I'm sure its the same with most teams.
3)whether it being a bar or pool hall,i'm sure #1 or #2 would apply.
jimmy-leggs said:
I find it's pretty much the same around here too. I know the hall by my place bends over backwards to host teams.(and prefers the teams that play on the bigger tables over the bar boxes.)
BTW Jimmy leggs, are you playing in Ted Harms CCS league? Maybe sometime we should pack our teams up and meet half way in Red Deer and have a battle of Alberta some weekend.
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I beg to differ, i have been in bussnies for 10 yr and have no beer or smoking and we do good bussines!!on leagues eather. have 11 bar and 1 -9ft in private room if you want to play for a coke !!! out of site of young people. GOOD FOOD BY MS STICK!!!!!jimmy-leggs said:
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I used to play in Teds league(players pool league).Would never do that again.I play in S.M.L.(southern music league).supergreenman said:
I thought you were starting up a league in edmonton,hows that going?and do you play in walmac league?
That sounds like a great idea for the battle of alberta,$100 ahead,5 man team,race to 13,tournament play.
jimmy-leggs said:I used to play in Teds league(players pool league).Would never do that again.I play in S.M.L.(southern music league).
I thought you were starting up a league in edmonton,hows that going?and do you play in walmac league?
That sounds like a great idea for the battle of alberta,$100 ahead,5 man team,race to 13,tournament play.
We did start the league, it's working out nicely so far. I also play in Wal mac (well I hope to get on a team since the team I was on last year disbanded at the end of the season)
I'm curious to find out why you don't like Ted league, he seems to be very organized.
As for the $100 a head battle of Alberta. Um, that's way beyond my range of wagers. Perhaps we could get a little more creative. Losing team has to host a BBQ for the winners or something? Serve up some humble pie so to speak in the form of Alberta Beef.
Before I tear teds league apart,is your league ccs?supergreenman said:
Johnnyt said:
its also more profitable because you can get more tables in the same space, sniiker is expensive because the tables are 6X12 and use alot of space so in a 6000 sqft room i'd rather stuff it full of bar boxes and make more $$$/sqft. and then getting the drinkers in there too is great biz for the room owners. i believe its the way foward in the industry today,
As a side note to this. Diamond did it right, i said for years soon as someone makes a good 7' table, they will make a ton of $$$. Diamond did it and wil be rewarded-i bet they are asking themselfs why didnt we do this years ago? Valley is too greedy with junk tables, I'm buying a Diamond 7' table its going to be great fun. It will help the industry out alot with this table over the next few years as serious players will play on it because its worth while equipment. Vally tables just attracts bangers for the most part.
jimmy-leggs said:Before I tear teds league apart,is your league ccs?
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Here in the Midwest
up and down (Texas has more big tables) it is primarily Bar boxes. Regular 3.5 x 7 footers in bars, and oversized 7 footers in Pool rooms. About 98% of them are Valley tables.
Big rooms are rare around here, we have Sidepockets which has 24 bar boxes and 9 big tables, but that is our biggest room. Most have about 10 bar boxes, and some have 1 big table, what I like to call family rooms, only because you get to know everyone that hangs out at them like they are family almost.
I have seen bangers on a big table, playing doubles, taking over an hour for 1 game of 8 ball. Gambling on a big table is usually slower too. With our now present 'now' attitude in society, bar boxes give a faster return on the game results, faster action.
And quite frankly, I don't like to play for awhile and discover that I have a $30 to $50 table tab, especially if I have lost gambling. I like a more up-to-date status of my finances.
up and down (Texas has more big tables) it is primarily Bar boxes. Regular 3.5 x 7 footers in bars, and oversized 7 footers in Pool rooms. About 98% of them are Valley tables.
Big rooms are rare around here, we have Sidepockets which has 24 bar boxes and 9 big tables, but that is our biggest room. Most have about 10 bar boxes, and some have 1 big table, what I like to call family rooms, only because you get to know everyone that hangs out at them like they are family almost.
I have seen bangers on a big table, playing doubles, taking over an hour for 1 game of 8 ball. Gambling on a big table is usually slower too. With our now present 'now' attitude in society, bar boxes give a faster return on the game results, faster action.
And quite frankly, I don't like to play for awhile and discover that I have a $30 to $50 table tab, especially if I have lost gambling. I like a more up-to-date status of my finances.
The room that runs the best league in the city here has 4 9 footers and 15 barboxes. I am not a fan of the BB as that, with exceptions, they are abused by the bangers and do not weather the storm well, as a result play relatively poorly. I think of the BB are the great equalizer. I have played many a player on a BB that can beat me there, but never on a 9'. JMO
One of the big things that kills rooms now is the rent $persqf like FatBoy said. The other thing is a very big percentage of poolroom owners were poolplayers from rooms on big tables. Most thoght bar boxes weren't real tables.HELLO...it's about the customers now. A lot more like to play on a bar box and have a few drinks than go into some poolroom with big table that wants you to be quiet like your in church. I've heard so many new owners say "I'm not having beer & wine, bar boxes, or anyone under 21". Everyone of those guys are out of business now.
I had no beer or wine in my room...but those were different times. My rent was less than $200 a month, lights less than a $100 and so on. Johnnyt
I had no beer or wine in my room...but those were different times. My rent was less than $200 a month, lights less than a $100 and so on. Johnnyt
I would agree with you. I'm in the planning stages of starting a business and if I could have my way, it would be all 9 footers (because that is what I grew up with and still rather play on), but like you said....it's all about the customers.Johnnyt said:
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