Bar Table 8-ball Situation - WWYD?

GG11 said:

Tony called me crazy! Wasn't the first time either! But my crazy plan worked!! :grin:

Thanks for participating! :)
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Pffff what does Tony Robles know about pool anyway........ :grin-square:

Nicely done on the shot!

I was kidding about Mr Robles of course... I enjoyed watching him play, classy guy....
 
IMO Neil has suggested the best shot here. Why risk going the triple hard way ... I say triple because you are #1. Hitting a rail when it's not necessary, #2. you would be applying inside english where it's not necessary. #3. you are forcing an unnatural angle to get to your destination when it's not necessary.

On an aside, I'm not sure high anything here is good if you had to go to the rail. You may end up putting the brakes on your shot on top of all the other things that could go wrong, and end up running out of gas right on top of the 8 ball and stick yourself.

Also, why play safe on the 6 when you could always play safe after pocketing the 6 if you did totally mess up the break out, and there would be one less of your balls on the table.
 
Neil said:
Frank, I'm confused by your statement here:confused: The stun shot, or same thing as a stop shot on an angle, does put the cb down the natural angle. You basically are setting up a dead carom shot.

My post does show the natural angle to the 8. If you put a ghost ball to make the 6, the 90 deg. angle is straight to the right half of the 8.
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What I'm saying is that I like to roll the ball instead of relying on any type of stroke to get the cue ball to my desired location. It's just my preference to make it as simple as possible. With my shot I can direct the cue ball to hit the rail just before the eight ball and get it ready. Anytime that I have the option to use the 33 degree carom that will be my first option. Your way is fine but not my first choice.
 
3andstop said:
IMO Neil has suggested the best shot here. Why risk going the triple hard way ... I say triple because you are #1. Hitting a rail when it's not necessary, #2. you would be applying inside english where it's not necessary. #3. you are forcing an unnatural angle to get to your destination when it's not necessary.

On an aside, I'm not sure high anything here is good if you had to go to the rail. You may end up putting the brakes on your shot on top of all the other things that could go wrong, and end up running out of gas right on top of the 8 ball and stick yourself.

Also, why play safe on the 6 when you could always play safe after pocketing the 6 if you did totally mess up the break out, and there would be one less of your balls on the table.
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My shot would not consist of topspin as you insinuated and the angle is pretty natural,on a thin cut cut using natural speed an angle there is no danger of falling short,maybe too hard.On a thinner cut if you know what you are doing and the ob is that close to the pocket and rail I will pocket the 6 and hit the 8 with the cb at whatever speed I choose at least 8 out of 10.Now where the 8 winds up you can only estimate that some what.You are working with 4 balls rolling on one shot.Nothing wrong with Neils way,but that does not make every other shot wrong
 
rodrivar said:
Yes I know, with ball in hand hit the 8 ball and lock it up on the 12 ball. Then he has to find a way to break that out or play a safety. You are in a better position as your ball isnt the one tied up with the 8.
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If you shoot the 8 he will have ball in hand
 
On a bar table I would just bank the 8 into the corner. easy shot on a bar box.
 
3andstop said:
IMO Neil has suggested the best shot here. Why risk going the triple hard way ... I say triple because you are #1. Hitting a rail when it's not necessary, #2. you would be applying inside english where it's not necessary. #3. you are forcing an unnatural angle to get to your destination when it's not necessary.

On an aside, I'm not sure high anything here is good if you had to go to the rail. You may end up putting the brakes on your shot on top of all the other things that could go wrong, and end up running out of gas right on top of the 8 ball and stick yourself.

Also, why play safe on the 6 when you could always play safe after pocketing the 6 if you did totally mess up the break out, and there would be one less of your balls on the table.
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Obviously the better the player....the more they are going to opt for the break out with BIH....The bottom line is....the right shot is the one you are most comfortable with....

The only thing I don't like about Niel's suggestion is that you pretty much need to freeze the CB to the rail.

I would much prefer the CB out where I can get a full view and also not have to bridge off the rail.

also....the one less balls on the table is not an advantage in my book........The more balls I have to your 1...... the bigger my advantage.
 
peteypooldude said:
If you shoot the 8 he will have ball in hand
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Yes I understand that. I figure there are only two choices after that. With ball in hand he can try and shoot the 11 and break the 12 out which there is a lot of room for error or he can play safe off the 12 passing the shot back to me. starting a safety battle. I personally wouldnt shoot it this way, just bringing up a different way of approaching the shot that wasnt previously posted, for discussion purposes.
 
BRKNRUN said:
The only thing I don't like about Niel's suggestion is that you pretty much need to freeze the CB to the rail.
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I understand, but from that position the rail isn't actually an obstruction. You're not shooting at the top half of the CB. The entire CB is available to you. In fact, the rail, in this situation actually can firm up your bridge hand pretty nice, and you are looking right at your target break out.
But in the end, ya gotta do what you feel is right I suppose.
 
I can't figure out the post about play safe off the 6 with BIH????

So you move the 6 1" and what if the player gives you BIH again, or what if he shoots his stripe, why in the world duck there?

Also while you made the 8 into the 12, that is an incredibly low % shot an I would bet that if you shot it 100 times you would get an adverse reaction most of those times and a lot of times you would get the 8 and 12 to make sweet music together and you'd end up hooked.
 
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