Bar table question...

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JasonS said:
Is there any particular reason why it seems like I almost always miss cue whenever I power draw on a bar box? It's rather funny from the other side, but it gets really old. I was expressing my frustrations to a buddy of mine about a bar table's size in that I can never get a proper run-out from the break and he says "play better shape" and thats obvious lol, so don't get me wrong when I ask about the draw shots... Sometimes my only shot is to draw the length of the table or more to break up a cluster or whatever to get out, but I almost always launch it into people's stools lol.

I use the same cue and same chalk when I practice power drawing on a regular sized table, the only difference I can think of is the cue ball. On a standard table I'm either using the red circle or the 6 red dot CB and, I'm not gonna lie, I do miss cue 1 out of 5 times or so, but on the bar boxes its like 4.5 out of 5.



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I don't really HAVE to draw, but it would be nice to understand why bar tables (mainly valleys) give me such a hard time. Maybe it's just me haha.

edit: when I say "mainly valleys" I mean I mainly play on valleys... not trying to diss valley :).
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Hi there,

The valley bar table cue ball has a different type of finish on it. It chips and cracks and climbs up on the ball alot creating skids. They also seem to be a little heavier. just a little makes alot of difference.

The main reason though is we are naturally jacked up a little on the bar table because you can't really stretch out and get flat so much as on a 9 footer. It seems you are always close to a rail. And anytime you are jacked up just a little it changes the whole ball game as far as how hard and low you hit the cue ball.

Combine that wil the weight,the coating on the ball and it starts to become pretty obvious. Not only to mention your results.

Newtons law.

At least that is what I have experienced.

Have a great day Geno...........
 
JasonS said:
Is there any particular reason why it seems like I almost always miss cue whenever I power draw on a bar box? .......
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From what I read, it's the power draw you're having issues with.. not regular draw shots.

If this is correct, then, to me, from my experience, both personal and watching others, this is most commonly a mechanical flaw.

In short, you're trying to really draw the ball, and may be lunging just a little to get some extra UMPH on the ball. (BTW.. that's a technical term) When you lunge, even just a little, normally the stroke hand comes up, which means the tip goes down.

Way to get those power draws, is to relax, and make sure your body does not move, and simply (very simply) stroke with just your arm. You can still do this very smoothly and with a lot of power, just do it relaxed. (don't tighten your grip, or your forearm or your wrist etc.)

Hope this helps some.
 
Didn't loose a match on Wednesday... I practiced for about 7 hours before I went out and played and used little draw and won every match... finally had a 10-0 (nerves are at last begining to subside), so far so good and my team mates are doing well. Currently ranked 1st in our division so thats a plus :). So what I've learned is no power draw unless you're completely relaxed and are in stroke!
 
JasonS said:
Is there any particular reason why it seems like I almost always miss cue whenever I power draw on a bar box? It's rather funny from the other side, but it gets really old. I was expressing my frustrations to a buddy of mine about a bar table's size in that I can never get a proper run-out from the break and he says "play better shape" and thats obvious lol, so don't get me wrong when I ask about the draw shots... Sometimes my only shot is to draw the length of the table or more to break up a cluster or whatever to get out, but I almost always launch it into people's stools lol.

I use the same cue and same chalk when I practice power drawing on a regular sized table, the only difference I can think of is the cue ball. On a standard table I'm either using the red circle or the 6 red dot CB and, I'm not gonna lie, I do miss cue 1 out of 5 times or so, but on the bar boxes its like 4.5 out of 5.

I don't really HAVE to draw, but it would be nice to understand why bar tables (mainly valleys) give me such a hard time. Maybe it's just me haha.

edit: when I say "mainly valleys" I mean I mainly play on valleys... not trying to diss valley :).
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You're probably falling into that common misconception that you need to use a "whiplash" stroke to draw the ball well. I've seen a lot of players do this. What you have to remember is to hit the cueball with as level of a stroke as possible, and use a good follow through! Do not jerk the cue back trying to get the tip out of the way. This is what I mean when I say "whiplash" stroke. A good level stroke a little below center ball and a good follow through will give you much better and more consistent results!. Also try not to grip the cue too tightly. A looser grip works best. Then you can experiment with how low on the cue ball you can hit.
 
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If you're hitting it hard enough to launch it off the table on a miscue, you're trying to hit it way too hard, and possibly trying to punch it. Long, smooth strokes give the best action. Focus on your shooting arm when you get down on your shot. Try to get a sense of feel for any tension from your shoulder all the way to your hand, and relax that part. Feel as though there is no tension in that arm at all, just nice and relaxed. Hold the cue as if you are holding a bird. Not tight enough to kill it, but not loose enough for it to fly away. Then focus on making the smoothest stroke you can. I've found that a very slight pause between the backstroke and forwardstroke helped me with this a lot.

Medium speed and a smooth stroke is all it takes.
 
If you only do it on a BB and you are at a bar it may be due to too many drinks.
 
Use that blue stuff that comes in the shape of a die. :thumbup:

It's probably just all mental. Focus on your follow through...."stroke it....don't poke it"
 
Geno hit the main one I think...You always seem to be close to a rail so it changes the angle of your cue on a draw shot.


The other one that was not mentioned was the condition of the chalk....Seems like most bars have chalk that has been wet from either beer or soda or water or something...Bad chalk makes it easier to miscue.
 
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