barbox cue ball

poolplayer2093

poolplayer2093

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where can i buy a good barbox cue ball. one that doesn't dwarf the rest of the balls? something that'd be returned in the ball return area (valley table)

anyone know where i can get one? what they'd cost?
 
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poolplayer2093 said:
where can i buy a good barbox cue ball. one that doesn't dwarf the rest of the balls? something that'd be returned in the ball return area (valley table)

anyone know where i can get one? what they'd cost?
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poolplayer2093:

Not enough information -- we'd have to know what type of ball return your bar-box has. Does it have a weight-actuated (i.e. heavyweight cue ball)? A magnetic-actuated cue-ball return?

Here's a good source:
http://poolndarts.com/80-Belgian-Aramith-Replacement-Pool-Balls/

If your bar-box has a weight-actuated cue ball return, you'll want the Aramith Red Dot Dynamo. If your bar-box uses a magnetic-actuated cue ball return, you'll want the Aramith Tournament Magnetic. Neither of these are "oversize" cue balls ("grapefruits" as they call them up here), so you don't have to worry about that.

EDIT: so you'll know, the Aramith Red Dot Dynamo is the "heavyweight" of all cueball-dom. It weighs in at 6.75 ounces -- a full ounce heavier than object balls. Do not confuse the Aramith Red Dot Dynamo with the other [less expensive] Red Dot that you'll see on the same page -- that "other" Red Dot is not a heavyweight ball, but rather weighs the same as the rest of the object balls (5.75 ounces). If it's the heavyweight ball you need, you'll want the Red Dot Dynamo (make sure it has "Dynamo" in its name). The magnetic cue balls vary, but they are around 6.25 ounces (the Aramith Tournament Magnetic weighs exactly this amount). I have both of these cue balls (Red Dot Dynamo and Tournament Magnetic) that I use to practice with, that's how I know. :)

Hope this is helpful!
-Sean
 
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The one that's used alot is the one that's listed on the posted link. The one with the green logo # 31-430.
 
poolplayer2093 said:
thanks fellas. it's for a valley bar table if that helps. i'm not sure what their ball return system is
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poolplayer2093:

Depends on how old the table is. Most of the "newer" Valleys use the magnetic cue ball return, so the link I gave you for the Aramith Tournament Magnetic (the green "S"-logo'ed ball) is the one you'll want.

Hope this is helpful!
-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
poolplayer2093:

Depends on how old the table is. Most of the "newer" Valleys use the magnetic cue ball return, so the link I gave you for the Aramith Tournament Magnetic (the green "S"-logo'ed ball) is the one you'll want.

Hope this is helpful!
-Sean
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it was. thank you man!
 
Ball weights

Several months ago I go curious about weight differences in all the cueballs types. I did a little measuring.

Here is what I found....

Aramith Pro object ball - 5.95oz
Aramith Measle cb - 6.00
Old Red dots - 5.60, 5.70
New red dot - 5.85
Mud cb - 6.65
Rempe training cb - 5.75
Aramith Magnetic cb - 5.85, 5.85

I was surprised to see the measle ball actually weigh more than the aramith magnetic cb.

Cheers


Our league bought Amamith cb for all teams to use on Valley barbox tables. Ozone billiards has the best price on these balls $12.75
 
NaturalEnglish said:
Several months ago I go curious about weight differences in all the cueballs types. I did a little measuring.

Here is what I found....

Aramith Pro object ball - 5.95oz
Aramith Measle cb - 6.00
Old Red dots - 5.60, 5.70
New red dot - 5.85
Mud cb - 6.65
Rempe training cb - 5.75
Aramith Magnetic cb - 5.85, 5.85

I was surprised to see the measle ball actually weigh more than the aramith magnetic cb.

Cheers


Our league bought Amamith cb for all teams to use on Valley barbox tables. Ozone billiards has the best price on these balls $12.75
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Wow! thanks for the info Bob
 
NaturalEnglish said:
Several months ago I go curious about weight differences in all the cueballs types. I did a little measuring.

Here is what I found....

Aramith Pro object ball - 5.95oz
Aramith Measle cb - 6.00
Old Red dots - 5.60, 5.70
New red dot - 5.85
Mud cb - 6.65
Rempe training cb - 5.75
Aramith Magnetic cb - 5.85, 5.85

I was surprised to see the measle ball actually weigh more than the aramith magnetic cb.

Cheers


Our league bought Amamith cb for all teams to use on Valley barbox tables. Ozone billiards has the best price on these balls $12.75
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Bob:

You might want to add the Aramith Red Dot Dynamo to your list, with a weight of 6.75 oz (notice the addition of "Dynamo" in the name). I have one of these, as well as the normal Red Dot. The Red Dot Dynamo is different from the normal Red Dot, as you can see, by the big difference in weight -- it's a full ounce heavier, and is considered the heavyweight champ (weight-wise) of cue balls.

Hope this is helpful!
-Sean
 
We dont have many tables in my area that use that Dynamo ball. One place does use it...and the Aramith mag cb will not return on that table :frown: I guess the Dynamo tables use weight to return the cb.

Its interesting that there are some shots that can be made with a heavy ball that cant be made with a "normal" weight ball.

Being able to adjust your game to different weight balls is not trivial. You have to really change your game for a heavy cb. Forget draw and jumping a heavy cb.

A heavier cb really dont concern a lesser player...but has a huge effect on a more seasoned player. Agreed?
 
Red dot or Red circle

NaturalEnglish said:
Several months ago I go curious about weight differences in all the cueballs types. I did a little measuring.

Here is what I found....

Aramith Pro object ball - 5.95oz
Aramith Measle cb - 6.00
Old Red dots - 5.60, 5.70
New red dot - 5.85
Mud cb - 6.65
Rempe training cb - 5.75
Aramith Magnetic cb - 5.85, 5.85

I was surprised to see the measle ball actually weigh more than the aramith magnetic cb.

Cheers


Our league bought Amamith cb for all teams to use on Valley barbox tables. Ozone billiards has the best price on these balls $12.75
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By "new red dot" do you actually mean "red circle"??
Is the "mud ball" you refer to the "Old dynamo heavy ball"
I thought the heavy dynamo ball had a blue dot.:confused:
 
Need to adapt one's game to the Aramith Red Dot Dynamo

NaturalEnglish said:
We dont have many tables in my area that use that Dynamo ball. One place does use it...and the Aramith mag cb will not return on that table :frown: I guess the Dynamo tables use weight to return the cb.

Its interesting that there are some shots that can be made with a heavy ball that cant be made with a "normal" weight ball.

Being able to adjust your game to different weight balls is not trivial. You have to really change your game for a heavy cb. Forget draw and jumping a heavy cb.

A heavier cb really dont concern a lesser player...but has a huge effect on a more seasoned player. Agreed?
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Bob:

Yes, tables the use the Aramith Red Dot Dynamo do indeed use weight to distinguish this cue ball from the rest, so that the cue ball may return separately from the rest of the object balls. I do agree -- one has to change their game in a big way when dealing with a cue ball of this weight. And those shots you talk about that are not possible with a "standard" cue ball -- those are called "smash-through" shots. I touch upon this in my post (#25) in the "stun stroke" thread:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?p=1909257#post1909257

I have several of these tables in my area (i.e. ones that use the Red Dot Dynamo), and it pays -- for me -- to practice on my home table with one. (My home table is a standard drop-pocket table, but it doesn't matter -- I'm practicing for the purpose of having "that type of game" always at the ready.) However, folks that don't have this type of table in their area will not want to practice with such a heavy cue ball, because it really throws one's cue ball control off. Follow is exceptionally easy -- too easy, in fact, because that Red Dot Dynamo just takes off and keeps going! Draw on the other hand, is another matter. One has to have a REALLY good stroke to get lengths of draw out of the Red Dot Dynamo. One has to adapt their game to use more stun shots with this heavyweight champ of cue ball, and even then, it's not a pure stun -- this cue ball keeps going, and slides into the space previously occupied by the object ball -- or even beyond, if it's hit really hard. (Read the above post to understand why.)

I haven't measured, but I presume the 30-degree rule and the 90-degree rule are greatly affected when using a Red Dot Dynamo. Because that ball is a full ounce heavier than the object balls, it wants to keep going in the general direction of original travel after impact (hence the term "smash-through").

Anyway, good responses and good info being shared on this thread!
-Sean
 
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I go to a bar that has a old table. The cue ball is huge!:eek: When you scratch the CB will go under the kitchen. What kind of CB is used here:confused: I was thinking of taking my measles CB and see if it works:cool:
 
There is also a slow roll cut down a rail to a corner pocket shot where the cb is a sure scratch in the side with a normal weight cb...but the heavy ball passes the side pocket :D
 
Grapefruit ball

Apocalypse2012 said:
I go to a bar that has a old table. The cue ball is huge!:eek: When you scratch the CB will go under the kitchen. What kind of CB is used here:confused: I was thinking of taking my measles CB and see if it works:cool:
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Apocalypse2012:

That is what folks in my area call a "grapefruit ball." It measures 2 3/8 inches, as compared to normal object balls which measure 2 1/4 inches.

http://poolndarts.com/p-3610-Oversized-Belgian-Aramith-Cue-Ball/

If you pocket your measles ball on this table, it's going to go in to the object ball tray, and you'll have to pay for another rack on that table to get it out. (Unless you're friendly with the proprietor of your establishment, in which case you can ask for the key to open the side panel of the table and retrieve it yourself at no cost.)

Hope this is helpful!
-Sean
 
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