BCA franchisee cheats members in allentown pa
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Whoa!!
There's got to be more to the story and if it is as you state, aren't there repercussions for the operator and some remedies for the screwed-over team? Can't a franchise be pulled for this type of gross misconduct?
Wow, very sorry and sad to hear.
I thought the BCAPL did not "franchisee" any leagues... I thought they just sanctioned them IF the league sends in the yearly dues?
I think this is all about the operator and really has nothing to do with the BCAPL
Am I wrong?
I think this is all about the operator and really has nothing to do with the BCAPL
Am I wrong?
It is a shame that your league was cheated out of it money but it also happens in bowling leagues, PTO's, Girl Scouts, churches and etc. They're are always dishonest people looking for a fast easy buck. Just look at society today. It seems as if everyone wants something for nothing without working for it. Their reasoning is it is owed to them and they aren't paid enough.
In regards to your league going to Vegas chances are it wouldn't have been enough to cover the cost so most players just split the money and stay home. Our BCA league paid out $3000 to the winning team. Divide that among 8 players and try to go to Vegas for a week. Even without the air fare it would be difficult.
I always go into league play to just enjoy the game, teammates, and competition. It is a cheap night out and if I do get back anything it is a bonus but I never expect it. It is not a way to earn a living or make money.
In regards to your league going to Vegas chances are it wouldn't have been enough to cover the cost so most players just split the money and stay home. Our BCA league paid out $3000 to the winning team. Divide that among 8 players and try to go to Vegas for a week. Even without the air fare it would be difficult.
I always go into league play to just enjoy the game, teammates, and competition. It is a cheap night out and if I do get back anything it is a bonus but I never expect it. It is not a way to earn a living or make money.
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Nothing New
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While I feel for the Allentown Players, this is Nothing New or just pool related. Any time the human factor comes in contact with Money, Money can disappear. Bowling Leagues and Girl Scouts have been effected by those who start off just borrowing a little money from the Till.
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While I feel for the Allentown Players, this is Nothing New or just pool related. Any time the human factor comes in contact with Money, Money can disappear. Bowling Leagues and Girl Scouts have been effected by those who start off just borrowing a little money from the Till.
Hunt him down and chop his nuts off.
Last time i heard of an Allentown figure stealing the money was when Leon Mroz went off on online poker with the tour funds.
Took him quite a few years, but i know people who got paid their money out of the blue, years later in a very quiet unassuming manner.
Maybe when faced with becoming a eunuch, this league operator will do the same.
Last time i heard of an Allentown figure stealing the money was when Leon Mroz went off on online poker with the tour funds.
Took him quite a few years, but i know people who got paid their money out of the blue, years later in a very quiet unassuming manner.
Maybe when faced with becoming a eunuch, this league operator will do the same.
This provides one argument in favor of the franchised leagues (APA, TAP, etc.). Franchised leagues catch a lot of flak for the amount of money they take in as opposed to the amount they pay out, but the players can feel that their dues and sanction fees are a little more protected.
Roger
Roger
As a league operator, sanctioned by the BCAPL and the ACS, I really hate to hear about this. I don't want to comment on what's happened without hearing details but there are ways for anyone in that league, that wants to play at the national tournament, to do it. I'd recommend they call the national office, the phone number is on their website www.play-bca.com and see what can be done.
Brian in VA
Brian in VA
Allentown - Been there done that
I was one of the unfortunates involved with the NE Player Tour (Leon Mroz) and did not receive my money from the end of the year tournament. After a length of time I must give kudos to Leon for standing up for the wrong he did and made good on it. I believe all players were paid, maybe with the exception of a few I may nor know about.
On to the BCA deal, I was also involved with the BCA league in question. No longer play it cause I did not like the format. When I was involved there were times players turned in dues, did not receive their players card, questions asked, Operator eventually made good. It did seem fishy.
I hope the operator stands up and admits wrong and makes good. Too all the friends I have involved - Good Luck. If I had any advice - get a group together and go talk the district attorney.
Is there anything from the BCA side that would prevent this from continuing. If BCA were to have an online stat (maybe they do) players would check it regularly. If the money wasn't turned in the operator would not be able to enter the scores. This way the players would be somewhat notified something is wrong and stop the continuation of paying for nothing.
I was one of the unfortunates involved with the NE Player Tour (Leon Mroz) and did not receive my money from the end of the year tournament. After a length of time I must give kudos to Leon for standing up for the wrong he did and made good on it. I believe all players were paid, maybe with the exception of a few I may nor know about.
On to the BCA deal, I was also involved with the BCA league in question. No longer play it cause I did not like the format. When I was involved there were times players turned in dues, did not receive their players card, questions asked, Operator eventually made good. It did seem fishy.
I hope the operator stands up and admits wrong and makes good. Too all the friends I have involved - Good Luck. If I had any advice - get a group together and go talk the district attorney.
Is there anything from the BCA side that would prevent this from continuing. If BCA were to have an online stat (maybe they do) players would check it regularly. If the money wasn't turned in the operator would not be able to enter the scores. This way the players would be somewhat notified something is wrong and stop the continuation of paying for nothing.
The BCAPL does offer an online scoring system but it is operated by a separate company. As long as the LO pays for it, they can keep entering scores.
Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any methodology for making sure the league operator is filing the paperwork, and monies, properly.
The happens pretty infrequently, I believe there are around 500 sanctioned leagues in the BCAPL system, and it's just a horrible shame. If any of the members wants to send me a PM I'll do my best to offer some possible solutions.
Brian in VA
Well I think the solution here is
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Assault is poor advice.
Not true.... I personally know people that played at an national event of one of the leagues stated above and placed in the money but were never paid by the League. I was eventually compensated, over a year later only after giving them the option of paying me the $150 they owed me or they could pay for my entire season and the cost of trip to and from ,as well as the time it took me and my wife to gather all the info. I hope this gets worked out, and that the teams get to go to Nationals.
PHJ
Was that an issue with a local league operator, or was it some misunderstanding at a national tournament? I think you may be talking about a little different type of case. I've known several cases where independent league operators have run off with everybody's money (as happened in the OP's post). I was just saying that it is less likely to happen where a league operator has a large investment in a franchise.
Roger
IT WAS NOT THE BCA, it was a "BCA Franchisee"
ARE we going to Blame GM, for a CROOKED GM DEALER???????
ARE we going to Blame GM, for a CROOKED GM DEALER???????
There are bad apples everywhere, and everyone here is right that you shouldn't blame the national organization for the actions of an individual.
Roger has a point, too, and it's not just a higher probability that the LO will be honest when they have something invested. There is more to it than most people probably know, at least with regard to the APA. They keep an eye on their LO's in terms of making sure the players' money is returned to the players. I have known them to pay teams who show up in Vegas with no money because the operator wasn't there to pay them as promised. Two years ago Terry Bell personally walked a team to hotel registration and got two rooms for them when he found out during the course of a normal conversation that their LO had not provided anything to them. I personally know operators whose players funds are under the control of the national office because they can't be trusted to manage the money properly.
I can't speak for TAP or any other organization, but with APA you do get some assurance that promises will be kept. If an operator "takes off with the money", APA makes good on it with the players, then goes after the bad apple themselves.
Roger has a point, too, and it's not just a higher probability that the LO will be honest when they have something invested. There is more to it than most people probably know, at least with regard to the APA. They keep an eye on their LO's in terms of making sure the players' money is returned to the players. I have known them to pay teams who show up in Vegas with no money because the operator wasn't there to pay them as promised. Two years ago Terry Bell personally walked a team to hotel registration and got two rooms for them when he found out during the course of a normal conversation that their LO had not provided anything to them. I personally know operators whose players funds are under the control of the national office because they can't be trusted to manage the money properly.
I can't speak for TAP or any other organization, but with APA you do get some assurance that promises will be kept. If an operator "takes off with the money", APA makes good on it with the players, then goes after the bad apple themselves.