BCA hall of fame is a JOKE!

vivalaraza

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how can you not elect strickland two years in a row?

and what about sang lee?

robin and mike massey are great players and have done a lot for the sport but come on............. :confused:

earl should tell them to take his name off the ballot. after being snubbed two years in a row, i wouldn't even want in.

earl doesn't need the hall of fame to get his props; everybody knows who "tha man" is........ :cool:


disclaimer:

this post is not intended in any way to take anything away from robin dobson and mike massey. it is not their fault the BCA sucks. they are truly classy players.
 
We all know a lot of deserving players are still out there. Even though we don't agree with the BCA's choices sometimes, this is still a tremendous honor for any pool player. I agree Earl should be inducted, along with Grady, Ronnie Allen, Danny Diliberto, Bugs, and a few others that I can't think of right now. Politics is not in Earls favor but eventually, he'll get in. Yes, I agree, Mike and Robin are a class act. Sam
 
I thought it was a joke last year when Strickland didn't get in, however, someone later informed me that Earl himself withdrew his name from the ballot.
Apparently it was Earls opinion that only retired players should be considered for the H.O.F. There' a good chance that Earl may have withdrew his name from the ballot once again this year. RJ
 
I used to wonder about how one player could be voted into the BCA Hall of Fame over another player. If you look at the poll on AzBilliards Home Page, Earl Strickland, as an example, received the overwhelming majority of popular vote from the pool-playing public, about two-thirds I think.

In the scheme of things, though, one must look at this organization known as the BCA and understand its mission. They are not looking to vote in the most popular player in the pool public's eyes. They are more interested in their membership which consists of industry folk. Robin Dodson and Mike Massy, both very qualified inductees (IMO), fit the bill for the BCA's industry members and will do more good for the BCA than a popular player like Earl Strickland.

Congratulations to Robin Dodson. She's definitely going to serve the BCA well. As far as Mike Massey goes, there is no question that he fits the bill for the BCA's Hall of Fame. He's so very popular and has traveled the road the hard way, and yet he managed to reach the top through hard work and dedication to the sport. Both inductees will represent the BCA's membership well.

JAM
 
The two new inductees are very deserving of entry, but I'm inclined to agree. A hall of fame should be a celebration of a sport's history, a tribute to all have excelled. Despite the occasional, and somewhat unforgivable, antics, Earl is not only one of the greatest players of all time, but he is an important figure in the history of the game of pool.

If the BCA Hall of Fame chooses not celebrate a player whose sustained excellence has figured so prominently in the growth of the game, then what purpose does the BCA Hall of Fame serve?

To me, it's hard to believe Earl doesn't get voted in unanimously...but that's just me.
 
sjm said:
The two new inductees are very deserving of entry, but I'm inclined to agree. A hall of fame should be a celebration of a sport's history, a tribute to all have excelled. Despite the occasional, and somewhat unforgivable, antics, Earl is not only one of the greatest players of all time, but he is an important figure in the history of the game of pool.

If the BCA Hall of Fame chooses not celebrate a player whose sustained excellence has figured so prominently in the growth of the game, then what purpose does the BCA Hall of Fame serve?

To me, it's hard to believe Earl doesn't get voted in unanimously...but that's just me.

I agree wholeheartedly, SJM. :)

What we, the pool public, may have to realize, though, is that this is the Billiard Congress of America's Hall of Fame. It is not a popularity contest or a means to celebrate a prominent player's achievements.

Right on the BCA website, it states the vision and the mission:

The Billiard Congress of America is all about you!

Our Vision: To make billiards the number one participation sport in the world.

Our Mission: To provide exceptional value to our members by promoting and growing cue sports worldwide.


The BCA's mission is to provide exceptional value TO ITS MEMBERS, industry members, PRINT media, and the like. Check out who the voting members are on the BCA Hall of Fame Committee.

In essence, the Billiard Congress of America isn't about us. It's all about its membership, and they vote and select the candidate which suits their needs the best.

JAM
 
The BCA is not about you & me or the pros or any players. It's about the business of billiards/pool. The BCA is run by and for the members and the members are the people in the business of pool. Once I got that through my head I was a lot happier and can now just blow off completely anything that pertains to the BCA remembering that it's not about me and it's not about playing pool. It's about business.
 
JAM said:
I used to wonder about how one player could be voted into the BCA Hall of Fame over another player. If you look at the poll on AzBilliards Home Page, Earl Strickland, as an example, received the overwhelming majority of popular vote from the pool-playing public, about two-thirds I think.

In the scheme of things, though, one must look at this organization known as the BCA and understand its mission. They are not looking to vote in the most popular player in the pool public's eyes. They are more interested in their membership which consists of industry folk. Robin Dodson and Mike Massy, both very qualified inductees (IMO), fit the bill for the BCA's industry members and will do more good for the BCA than a popular player like Earl Strickland.

Congratulations to Robin Dodson. She's definitely going to serve the BCA well. As far as Mike Massey goes, there is no question that he fits the bill for the BCA's Hall of Fame. He's so very popular and has traveled the road the hard way, and yet he managed to reach the top through hard work and dedication to the sport. Both inductees will represent the BCA's membership well.

JAM
When I was first starting to play pool competetively, Earl was a huge hero of mine. Whenever a pool discussion would come up, I always touted Earl as the greatest offensive pool player ever.

Then after I was around him some at tournaments, both as a spectator and a fellow competitor, my opinion changed. I saw the true pool player. His seemingly arrogant attitude with opponents and the crowd of spectators (most of who paid money to watch HIM play) gave me a different opinion of him. And it wasn't just occasionally. Every tournament had him going off on a tyrade about something. And it caused me to despise him every time that I watched him play. Being from SC and Earl from NC, I attended many regional events where he has played over the years (as a player), as well as many of the professional events he has played (as a spectator), so now I feel that I have the basis to make a qualified assessment of the complete "Earl".

I have met Earl and talked with him on occasion at many of these tournaments over the years, and now I think I know more of who Earl the person and the player are. Away from the tournament, Earl is completely different than when in competition. Even when he is practicing, he has always seemed cordial when spectators approached him and has offered autographs, free advice, photo opportunities, and most anything else that was requested. I'm not saying that I agree with his antics on the table during tournaments, but that's not all of who Earl is, and this (finally) brings up my point.

I think many people are at different points in their opinions of Earl (as I was), either seeing him as a pool hero, an asshole, or a nice guy who has given them an autographed photo during a tournament. Some see him solely as one of the greatest 9 ball players ever. Others see him solely as the crybaby that they have seen or heard stories about during tournaments. Others see him only as the nice guy off the table that they have talked to during a regional or professional event. The thing is, all of these characteristics make up who Earl is.

I think that the industry does need to choose players that they don't have to worry about embarrasing them, and with some public opinion of Earl being negative, that's why Earl has not been elected (if in fact his name was still on the ballot at voting). But I don't see how anyone can say that with his numerous US Open Championships, along with his many other championships, how he cannot be a unanimous selection to the Hall of Fame.

Now I see Earl for all that he is, not letting one attribute to form an opinion. I feel that many people have one basis for their appreciation (or disdain) for Earl. Hopefully, if fans and pool industry executives can look at every side of the person and the player, they will be able to form more complete opinions and give us effective choices on who should and should not be elected to the Hall of Fame.

Mike
 
There's quite a variety of views about the BCA's HOF decision! :eek:

Last year, it is noteworthy to mention that the BCA sent out a press release and asked for the public's vote, providing a contact information for responders. I actually did send an e-mail with my two votes and received a response, the same day I think, acknowledging receipt. Funny thing is, I can't even remember who else was on the ballot with Ewa and Efren (LOL).

The BCA did not seek the public's opinion this year. I guess they reviewed the worth of the public's vote and maybe decided opinions such as these don't help to contribute to their vision and mission. Like all organizations, they are supposed to serve its membership.

My curiosity piques, I guess it begs the question: Is Cutec an industry member of the BCA, or what?

I think 2005 is going to be the year for pool to make its presence known, with or without the BCA. It ain't all about industry members as far as I'm concerned. Pool needs new blood, and I have a sneaky feeling that it's going to come from outside of the pool-related businesses. Mike Massey and Robin Dodson may be fortunate in that they're hitting the pool wave at the right time becoming the current BCA Hall of Famers.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
Earl will get in, it's just a matter of time. There are too many deserving players and not enough slots to satisfy everyone, it's that simple.
 
vivalaraza said:
how can you not elect strickland two years in a row?

and what about sang lee?

robin and mike massey are great players and have done a lot for the sport but come on............. :confused:

earl should tell them to take his name off the ballot. after being snubbed two years in a row, i wouldn't even want in.

earl doesn't need the hall of fame to get his props; everybody knows who "tha man" is........ :cool:


disclaimer:

this post is not intended in any way to take anything away from robin dobson and mike massey. it is not their fault the BCA sucks. they are truly classy players.



I agree totally. 6 World Championships, 5 U.S Open
titles! What's the problem? Earl not getting into the
HOF is a joke. Imagine if Roger Clemens were to get
denied entry to baseball's HOF, this is no different.
Some people say that he's still playing so he must
wait until retirement, now normally I would agree,
however Reyes got in and he doesn't have nearly the
world titles Earl has. I'm not trying to knock Efren,
he surely deserves to be in the HOF, but so does
Earl. Sigel and Varner also got in while still
playing at the top level.

Sang Lee not getting in is also a shame.
Not to take anything away from Robin Dobson and
Mike Massey but of the four nominated I figured them
to be the least likely to get in.

Earl getting such a huge percentage of HOF votes on
the AZ poll says it all though, the fans know better.
 
Does anyone know...did Earl once again take his name of the ballot?????
He did last year.

If he did, then there's no need to keep dissing the selection committee.
If he didn't take his name off the list, I wholeheartily agree, THE BCA SELECTION COMMITEE SUCKS!!!!!! RJ

Here's a post on the subject I made regarding Earl not winning his way into the H.O.F last year:
http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=9320

At the time I thought it was a complete joke.
 
JAM said:
...I can't even remember who else was on the ballot with Ewa and Efren

JAM, I believe Efren was inducted in 2003, not in 2004. Ewa Mataya Laurance and George Balabushka were last year's inductees. Strickland and Hopkins were the other nominees in the player category. I don't recall who the nominees other than Geroge were in the meritorious service category.
 
Bobby said:
I agree totally. 6 World Championships, 5 U.S Open
titles! What's the problem? Earl not getting into the HOF is a joke. Imagine if Roger Clemens were to get denied entry to baseball's HOF, this is no different.
Some people say that he's still playing so he must wait until retirement, now normally I would agree, however Reyes got in and he doesn't have nearly the
world titles Earl has. I'm not trying to knock Efren, he surely deserves to be in the HOF, but so does Earl. Sigel and Varner also got in while still
playing at the top level.

Obviously, Earl is not being deinied entry due to the insufficiency of his credentials in competition. This is politics.

As you say, omission of Roger Clemens from Baseball's Hall of Fame would be ridiculous, even if he do throw that bat at Mike Piazza in the 2000 World Series (forgive me, i like the Mets.) This is not a Pete Rose situation, for Rose's alleged action not only greatly compromised the integirty of his sport but also constitutes a felony. Earl has certainly acted like a complete jerk at times, but he hasn't broken the law, and the bottom line is that Earl has left his mark on pool and its history.

Finally, I don't think Earl has had the career of Reyes. Efren may go down as the greatest ever at both eight ball and one pocket and is among the top five ever in nine ball. Efren may well be the best pool player that has ever lived, but. at bare minimum, he's the best since Sigel.
 
sjm said:
Obviously, Earl is not being deinied entry due to the insufficiency of his credentials in competition. This is politics...Finally, I don't think Earl has had the career of Reyes. Efren may go down as the greatest ever at both eight ball and one pocket and is among the top five ever in nine ball. Efren may well be the best pool player that has ever lived, but at bare minimum, he's the best since Sigel.

I agree with your first point, SJM! :) But on the Efren vs. Earl comparison, it's like comparing apples to oranges (IMO), and it pertains to opportunities.

I'm still stuck on America, the land of OPEN pool opportunities, versus the rest of the world!

FWIW, I'm pretty sure Earl ain't losing no sleep over not being selected! :p

JAM
 
I was a BCA member for years and have to disagree with many of the negative posts here. Here is how it was always done when I was a voting member. Nominations were pretty much suggestions and a commitee decided who would be on the ballot. But after that a ballot was sent out to all members and we would check who we wanted to vote for and send it back in. So the BCA board decided Sang, Robin and Earl were on the ballot, but it was the hundreds of business members who voted Robin in.
As a side note our International Cuemakers Association is voting in 2005 Hall of Fame members right now. When the ballot was first sent out only about 1/4 responded. So with more encouraging emails and a dedline set, now over 2/3 of membership have voted. So it is possible that 1/4 of the BCA membership voted in Robin and it could be by the narrowest of margins. If I would not have kept sending emails to ICA membership encouraging them to vote, one cuemaker would have won with a landslide among the first 1/4 to vote. But now the race has become pretty close.
Chris
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
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