BCA Mens Final Pictures

JCIN

JCIN

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Here are some shots before, during and after the Mens Final.


I also have the first part of my trip report up on our site.

http://japrophoto.photium.com/page1544.html



These were taken in the practice room right before Dennis and Shane went to the main arena to play the finals. I was the only guy to get these shots. It's cool when you know people :D

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Shane breaking. It wasn't working very well for him and when you play a monster like Dennis it makes for a long day.

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Dennis was in stroke and played great.

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Dennis celebrating his victory.

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Mark Wilson's post match interview with Shane.

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Shane signing autographs after the match.

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Dennis and Charlie Bryant clowning around.

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Shane and I laughing at Charlie's comments behind the camera.

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JCIN,

Your pictures always look great and yes, you are the MAN!!!

p.s. I see you finally took your lenses off the ladies and took some men's picture as well, haha.

S.
 
JCIN said:
That's the kind of pictures I like. Close up and clear.

All of your pictures were great!

One thing that kind of interests me is the first picture where Shane has his forearm perpendicular to the floor but his cue tip is at least a few inches away from the cue ball.

BCA instructors teach that the forearm should be perpendicular to the floor but that is when the cue tip is near the cue ball, not a FEW inches away from the cue ball. I wonder if this was just an exception or the normal rule FOR SHANE? I have seen other professional pool players with their forearm more forward positioned when the cue tip is close to the cue ball so maybe it is not such a bad thing. What does this accomplish?
JoeyA
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Have I been doing it wrong all along?

I also found it odd that his bridge is elevated even though the cue call is in the middle of the table....

JoeyA said:
JCIN said:
That's the kind of pictures I like. Close up and clear.

All of your pictures were great!

One thing that kind of interests me is the first picture where Shane has his forearm perpendicular to the floor but his cue tip is at least a few inches away from the cue ball.

BCA instructors teach that the forearm should be perpendicular to the floor but that is when the cue tip is near the cue ball, not a FEW inches away from the cue ball. I wonder if this was just an exception or the normal rule FOR SHANE? I have seen other professional pool players with their forearm more forward positioned when the cue tip is close to the cue ball so maybe it is not such a bad thing. What does this accomplish?
JoeyA
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But he's a great player. Many great players had big flaws in their srokes and such. But it worked fine for them. Johnnyt
 
JoeyA said:
JCIN said:
That's the kind of pictures I like. Close up and clear.

All of your pictures were great!

One thing that kind of interests me is the first picture where Shane has his forearm perpendicular to the floor but his cue tip is at least a few inches away from the cue ball.

BCA instructors teach that the forearm should be perpendicular to the floor but that is when the cue tip is near the cue ball, not a FEW inches away from the cue ball. I wonder if this was just an exception or the normal rule FOR SHANE? I have seen other professional pool players with their forearm more forward positioned when the cue tip is close to the cue ball so maybe it is not such a bad thing. What does this accomplish?
JoeyA
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If you look at his grip arm, he has ALREADY HIT the cue ball and is in follow through stroke.
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belmicah said:
If you look at his grip arm, he has ALREADY HIT the cue ball and is in follow through stroke.
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I disagree. Look at the butt of the cue and the way the blur is moving. If the cue were moving backward it would not be curving down and back. The cue is moving forward because the blur motion of the butt is moving forward and up. The cue ball also has no blur in this close-up picture because it hasn't been struck yet.
 
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Hierovision said:
belmicah said:
I disagree. Look at the butt of the cue and the way the blur is moving. If the cue were moving backward it would not be curving down and back. The cue is moving forward because the blur motion of the butt is moving forward and up. The cue ball also has no blur in this close-up picture because it hasn't been struck yet.
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great analysis. I think you're qualified in a CSI. :D
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And who messed up the quote button!? I demand compensation for having to go back and edit my post... 500 vbucks sounds like a good settlement.

edit: JCIN are you a giant or is Shane tiny? I'm guessing somewhere in between. :D
 
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edit: JCIN are you a giant or is Shane tiny? I'm guessing somewhere in between. :D
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Hero,
Shane is actually a little taller than the average player (this means you do NOT mess with JCIN).
 
HERESY, you say?

Johnnyt said:
But he's a great player. Many great players had big flaws in their srokes and such. But it worked fine for them. Johnnyt
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The "flaw in their stroke" is an old stand by response but I am starting to wonder. Many professional pool players move their arm forward and even backward depending upon the shot. I believe that they may not even consciously be aware they are doing it. It is possible that they inherently know that if they move their hand forward or backward that movement will cause certain "favorable action" on the cue ball that provides them with better results on particular shots.

I was once told by the great player Keith McCready that I needed to learn how to move my rear hand in different positions along the butt of the cue. He moved away before I could have a lesson to clarify this further. I have been re-positioning my rear hand since then in different positions for different shots and I am still in school.

And JFTR, while Keith exhibits the side arm stroke (because of playing pool as a child and not being able to shoot with a vertical forearm) and the rising Phoenix syndrome, this does not in any way mean that the rear hand movement is a bad thing.

Also, I was thinking that perhaps these professional pool players have adapted these unique techniques to help them overcome physical obstacles. Their bodies may not be shaped in such a manner or their muscles may not be developed in such a manner as to enable them to make certain shots with certain types of cue ball action and they learn to compensate by doing non standard protocol execution. Perhaps they individually do have a few "secrets".

What say you, AZers?


JoeyA
 
I think you're right on about being able to add extra english with position of the hand. Changing position of the hand on the cue will only do so much, I think. I was thinking about this the other day while contemplating different levels of pool expertise.

When you have your fundamentals down pat what's next? Developing your stroke to add extra english while maintaining accuracy so you can do Efrenesque things on a pool table.

In the first picture of Shane you can tell that the tip of the cue is going to be travelling downward slightly as well as forward at the moment of impact with the cueball, so extra draw results. Having control of moment-of-impact tip-direction could be a huge advantage in getting that extra english for any/every situation. The main thing I would worry about is maintaining accuracy any time you apply this off-center.

A whole other dimension to billiards that I personally haven't seriously contemplated until recently... boggles my mind. I think I'll stick to adding a little extra draw with this method until I'm brave enough to explore extra side english :eek:
 
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